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My take here is that they should just let it die. The Bond franchise it a remarkable thing, but I don't know how you make it "fresh" without ruining the charm.

My take here is that they should just let it die. The Bond franchise it a remarkable thing, but I don't know how you make it "fresh" without ruining the charm. The Craig years were a soft reboot -- Bond was a freshly promoted 00 in _Casino_, and was thus explicitly not the same guy who bested Dr Julius No. I just don't know where they go from here that would be interesting, and I 100% do not trust Amazon to treat the property well AT ALL.

Animats 2y ago
> they should just let it die. Yes. Would Hollywood please kill off Bond, Star Trek, and Dune? They're all 1960s products that are way past their sell-by date.
- ubermonkey 2y ago
  Except, well, there ARE still interesting Trek stories being told on TV. That universe is interesting enough, and rich enough, that I see it as being more sustainable. I mean, not for nothing, but there's a whole HOST of characters there instead of one dude, as with Bond. I'm a little confused about your ire about Dune. Prior to the recent films, those novels never had a decent adaptation -- Lynch's film in 1984, and then a really terrible TV attempt by SciFi like 25 years ago. They're hugely influential in SF, so taking another bite at the apple seems reasonable to me. My understanding is that Villeneuve is in fact doing a film based on _Dune Messiah_ as a third film, but I don't know if he'll go farther than that. The books get increasingly goofy, so that would be a reasonable stopping point; nobody wants a 3 hour film about a giant human/worm hybrid who rules for 2,000 years or whatever. The TV show is its own work. I have no judgement on it at all, but its success or failure doesn't affect my opinion of the films.
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smackeyacky 2y ago
Bond is literally dead, at least in the films. In the last one, he got blown up. It's definitely time to let it go. Nobody is clamouring for "Bulldog Drummond" or "Biggles" any more and Bond lived longer than either of those. (although I still have the Corgi Aston Martin on my desk as a plaything)
- Applejinx 2y ago
  And that is why.
  - smackeyacky 2y ago
    I'm not sure sad old Gen X folk like me, who were relatively starved for entertainment and found Bond via 2nd hand bookstores and repeats on tiny TVs are much of a market these days. I think what they did with Top Gun was pretty good - it's still kinda about Maverick but set it up so the universe expands a bit. The po faced Craig films just got boring. I will re-watch the Moore films occasionally for the goofy nostalgia but I can't even remember the names of half the Craig movies.

Animats 2y ago

> they should just let it die. Yes. Would Hollywood please kill off Bond, Star Trek, and Dune? They're all 1960s products that are way past their sell-by date.

ubermonkey 2y ago
Except, well, there ARE still interesting Trek stories being told on TV. That universe is interesting enough, and rich enough, that I see it as being more sustainable. I mean, not for nothing, but there's a whole HOST of characters there instead of one dude, as with Bond. I'm a little confused about your ire about Dune. Prior to the recent films, those novels never had a decent adaptation -- Lynch's film in 1984, and then a really terrible TV attempt by SciFi like 25 years ago. They're hugely influential in SF, so taking another bite at the apple seems reasonable to me. My understanding is that Villeneuve is in fact doing a film based on _Dune Messiah_ as a third film, but I don't know if he'll go farther than that. The books get increasingly goofy, so that would be a reasonable stopping point; nobody wants a 3 hour film about a giant human/worm hybrid who rules for 2,000 years or whatever. The TV show is its own work. I have no judgement on it at all, but its success or failure doesn't affect my opinion of the films.
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smackeyacky 2y ago

Bond is literally dead, at least in the films. In the last one, he got blown up. It's definitely time to let it go. Nobody is clamouring for "Bulldog Drummond" or "Biggles" any more and Bond lived longer than either of those. (although I still have the Corgi Aston Martin on my desk as a plaything)

Applejinx 2y ago
And that is why.
- smackeyacky 2y ago
  I'm not sure sad old Gen X folk like me, who were relatively starved for entertainment and found Bond via 2nd hand bookstores and repeats on tiny TVs are much of a market these days. I think what they did with Top Gun was pretty good - it's still kinda about Maverick but set it up so the universe expands a bit. The po faced Craig films just got boring. I will re-watch the Moore films occasionally for the goofy nostalgia but I can't even remember the names of half the Craig movies.