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Tradition? I have no idea. But many events come with a dress code, and in many sports it is pretty strict even though it does not neccessarily have to be. I can

by mongol 2y ago

Tradition? I have no idea. But many events come with a dress code, and in many sports it is pretty strict even though it does not neccessarily have to be. I can see it both ways - the way you dress have nothing to do with how you play. But on the other hand, if there is supposed to be a certain atmosphere and mood at the event, a dress code is not unheard of. I recall when Kenya (?) wanted to play with sleeveless jerseys in the FIFA World Cup, similar to have like they have in basketball. That did not work out - they had to add sleeves in short order. EDIT: It was Cameroon in the Africa Cup. Link: https://www.puma-catchup.com/africa-cup-perfect-stage-scandals/ https://www.puma-catchup.com/africa-cup-perfect-stage-scanda...

MrMcCall 2y ago
I find 'tradition' to nearly always be merely an excuse to keep acting like a purblind fool. They're just a bunch of self-superior non-thinkers who don't give a damn about anyone from other cultures. They tend to lack curiosity or compassion, so, as such, they are really just a bunch of dullards.
tacone 2y ago
Not tradition. From what I got over the internet, apparently (normal) jeans where allowed in the past and a lot of players were wearing them.
bfdm 2y ago
As is the explanation all too often, dress codes are simply exclusionary. They're meant to exclude those that do not conform (whether or why they cannot conform or refuse to is secondary). All the other bluster about tradition and standards or whatever else is all just covering fire to exclusionary policy. Whether that be race based, gender based, class based or otherwise, it's a basis for excluding or removing those outside your group who can't or won't bend to your requirements. The one and only exception I know of to this is safety dress codes, like loose long hair or garments around certain machinery that could catch those. The rest can go to hell.
- mongol 2y ago
  What would you say about a dress code at a wedding or a funeral? Are they decided in order to exclude?
  - bfdm 2y ago
    Yes, they are. Typically these are enforced as flexible social norms, though, with individuals free to determine reasonable deviations within convention. They'll rarely be used to remove someone. It's an implied dress code, effectively, but with considerable grey area. Some weddings are explicit, sure. And that's a couple's choice, to exclude some of their friends and family.
    - ithkuil 2y ago
      Don't you think there is a difference between accidental and intentional exclusion?
- protonbob 2y ago
  What's wrong with exclusion? They want to exclude people from the tournament that don't want to follow a traditional dress code.
  - bfdm 2y ago
    Private facilities and groups are free to have those policies, but I also think its reasonable and expected for members to object and change the rules over time, especially the elites.
- RonaldDump 2y ago
  The kind of people who say this about White culture (tennis, golf, chess, etc) cream themselves over the rich vibrant culture of traditional dress in literally any non-White sport or ritual. If a White professional sumo wrestler insisted on Speedos or boardshorts as a protest against discriminatory Japanese garb, would he be a freedom fighter, in your view? A disrespectful buffoon in mine.
acomjean 2y ago
In soccer/footbal one can see how not having sleeves is a hit to the space of the walking advertisements that are uniforms these days. Not having huge variations in uniforms for team sports seems to make some sense to me (you can't have everyone wearing a different color...) for something like tennis or chess I can't see how it matters much.

by mongol 2y ago

MrMcCall 2y ago

I find 'tradition' to nearly always be merely an excuse to keep acting like a purblind fool. They're just a bunch of self-superior non-thinkers who don't give a damn about anyone from other cultures. They tend to lack curiosity or compassion, so, as such, they are really just a bunch of dullards.

tacone 2y ago

Not tradition. From what I got over the internet, apparently (normal) jeans where allowed in the past and a lot of players were wearing them.

bfdm 2y ago

As is the explanation all too often, dress codes are simply exclusionary. They're meant to exclude those that do not conform (whether or why they cannot conform or refuse to is secondary). All the other bluster about tradition and standards or whatever else is all just covering fire to exclusionary policy. Whether that be race based, gender based, class based or otherwise, it's a basis for excluding or removing those outside your group who can't or won't bend to your requirements. The one and only exception I know of to this is safety dress codes, like loose long hair or garments around certain machinery that could catch those. The rest can go to hell.

mongol 2y ago
What would you say about a dress code at a wedding or a funeral? Are they decided in order to exclude?
- bfdm 2y ago
  Yes, they are. Typically these are enforced as flexible social norms, though, with individuals free to determine reasonable deviations within convention. They'll rarely be used to remove someone. It's an implied dress code, effectively, but with considerable grey area. Some weddings are explicit, sure. And that's a couple's choice, to exclude some of their friends and family.
  - ithkuil 2y ago
    Don't you think there is a difference between accidental and intentional exclusion?
protonbob 2y ago
What's wrong with exclusion? They want to exclude people from the tournament that don't want to follow a traditional dress code.
- bfdm 2y ago
  Private facilities and groups are free to have those policies, but I also think its reasonable and expected for members to object and change the rules over time, especially the elites.
RonaldDump 2y ago
The kind of people who say this about White culture (tennis, golf, chess, etc) cream themselves over the rich vibrant culture of traditional dress in literally any non-White sport or ritual. If a White professional sumo wrestler insisted on Speedos or boardshorts as a protest against discriminatory Japanese garb, would he be a freedom fighter, in your view? A disrespectful buffoon in mine.

acomjean 2y ago

In soccer/footbal one can see how not having sleeves is a hit to the space of the walking advertisements that are uniforms these days. Not having huge variations in uniforms for team sports seems to make some sense to me (you can't have everyone wearing a different color...) for something like tennis or chess I can't see how it matters much.