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> I don’t think people on here are ready for quite where all this goes. Exactly. People should vote for less government and should vote for those willing to d

> I don’t think people on here are ready for quite where all this goes. Exactly. People should vote for less government and should vote for those willing to defend freedom of speech. Actually: we're heading towards that dystopian future because of all the government lovers and apologists. There are only 40% of the EU citizens that don't want the EU. It's not enough.

gambiting 2y ago
>>There are only 40% of the EU citizens that don't want the EU. 40% of EU citizens are not right in their heads then. That number should be a lot smaller.
- f1shy 2y ago
  That is a little harsh. Good that democracy is about respecting the opinions of other people.
  - unethical_ban 2y ago
    No one criticized democracy, and it's not an attack on democracy to hold people with bad opinions in low regard.
    - f1shy 2y ago
      That low regard in the history has change to hate, persecution and qualified vote, to mention a few. Specially when not saying “they are wrong” but “they are incapable of thinking”. So per se both a bad thing, but I personally regard such expressions as dangerous for the long term democracy
      - unethical_ban 2y ago
        I respect your opinion, and agree that democracy is critical. "Democracy is the worst system, other than the rest". Ideally we would have an LSAT-like exam as a qualifier to vote, but any kind of testing to be allowed to vote would be manipulated eventually by corrupt administrations. Therefore, the only remedy to an ignorant society's decisionmaking is quality public education and broad suffrage.
  - gambiting 2y ago
    No, democracy isn't about that. It's about respecting other people's choice - which I do. It's the old "I will defend your right to have an opinion, but I reserve the right to call this opinion stupid". I respect the Brexit vote - I still think anyone who voted for it is missing brain cells in critical parts of their brain - these two things aren't mutually exclusive.
    - f1shy 2y ago
      Actually, you are right. And even when I do think that the EU has many good and also many many bad things, I think is good all in all. My choice is still no to insult people who think differently, in a such complicated not-white-black topic.
fidotron 2y ago
That is only half of the story. The other half is what government there is should be doing a lot more to protect the privacy of people on their territory from foreign state and private entities.
- potato3732842 2y ago
  Part of the problem is that the governments have grown so big they can't do this without pissing off their own stake holders. If you float the idea of clamping down on the privacy violations of one thing in some sector of the economy you'll have the existing big players and the regulatory agency they're in bed with instantly complaining that they "need" these things in order to satisfy the regulators demands for records and paper pushing. Imagine if there was a push to force cars back to the degree of connectivity they had in 2004. The EPA, the NHTSA, the big OEMS, they'd all be up in arms because they've gotten so used to all the number crunching make-work they've created for themselves over the past 20yr.

gambiting 2y ago

>>There are only 40% of the EU citizens that don't want the EU. 40% of EU citizens are not right in their heads then. That number should be a lot smaller.

f1shy 2y ago
That is a little harsh. Good that democracy is about respecting the opinions of other people.
- unethical_ban 2y ago
  No one criticized democracy, and it's not an attack on democracy to hold people with bad opinions in low regard.
  - f1shy 2y ago
    That low regard in the history has change to hate, persecution and qualified vote, to mention a few. Specially when not saying “they are wrong” but “they are incapable of thinking”. So per se both a bad thing, but I personally regard such expressions as dangerous for the long term democracy
    - unethical_ban 2y ago
      I respect your opinion, and agree that democracy is critical. "Democracy is the worst system, other than the rest". Ideally we would have an LSAT-like exam as a qualifier to vote, but any kind of testing to be allowed to vote would be manipulated eventually by corrupt administrations. Therefore, the only remedy to an ignorant society's decisionmaking is quality public education and broad suffrage.
- gambiting 2y ago
  No, democracy isn't about that. It's about respecting other people's choice - which I do. It's the old "I will defend your right to have an opinion, but I reserve the right to call this opinion stupid". I respect the Brexit vote - I still think anyone who voted for it is missing brain cells in critical parts of their brain - these two things aren't mutually exclusive.
  - f1shy 2y ago
    Actually, you are right. And even when I do think that the EU has many good and also many many bad things, I think is good all in all. My choice is still no to insult people who think differently, in a such complicated not-white-black topic.

fidotron 2y ago

That is only half of the story. The other half is what government there is should be doing a lot more to protect the privacy of people on their territory from foreign state and private entities.

potato3732842 2y ago
Part of the problem is that the governments have grown so big they can't do this without pissing off their own stake holders. If you float the idea of clamping down on the privacy violations of one thing in some sector of the economy you'll have the existing big players and the regulatory agency they're in bed with instantly complaining that they "need" these things in order to satisfy the regulators demands for records and paper pushing. Imagine if there was a push to force cars back to the degree of connectivity they had in 2004. The EPA, the NHTSA, the big OEMS, they'd all be up in arms because they've gotten so used to all the number crunching make-work they've created for themselves over the past 20yr.