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But engage with the point OP's making. That is despite spending far more on healthcare, so maybe the problem isn't the healthcare? Life expectancy in general i

But engage with the point OP's making. That is despite spending far more on healthcare, so maybe the problem isn't the healthcare? Life expectancy in general in the US could also be due to the amount of gun violence, as well. Nothing to do with the quality of healthcare.

llamaimperative 2y ago
Managing chronic disease burden is a component of healthcare The fact that Americans intuit that it’s not is a worrying sign of just how broken our system is
- robertlagrant 2y ago
  > Americans intuit that it’s not Any evidence for this?
  - llamaimperative 2y ago
    GP’s comment? It’s predicated on separating “high chronic disease burden” from “poor healthcare system performance.” I don’t think this is a broadly held belief, I think it’s the “eeehhrm actually…” contrarian belief that’s trying to discredit the consensus view that our healthcare system gets very poor results for the money. So it shows up in places like this exact HN thread.
    - robertlagrant 2y ago
      Sounds as though you're now not saying that Americans as a group think that. That's good.
thrance 2y ago
In western Europe, governments have a vested interest in the good health of their citizens, because a healthy citizen costs less to the healthcare system. The US government does not care that much about obesity, gun violence and all that jazz because it is not the one paying for the damages it does. All these factors contribute to the comparatively poorer life expectancy of Americans, which is, I agree, only a surface metric.
- llamaimperative 2y ago
  The government does end up paying for this via Medicare and Medicaid but doesn’t have good levers to solve it directly. The more important dynamic you’re pointing to is that private insurers don’t care because our insurance is tied to our employers and therefore is expected (by insurers) to churn every 4 years or so. It literally makes zero sense for a private insurer to invest in an American’s healthcare results more than 3 or so years down the road. Surprise surprise, we have best-in-class care for emergencies and complex acute cases, and absolutely atrocious management of early disease and lifestyle problems (which is when it’s most cost-effective to solve health problems).

llamaimperative 2y ago

Managing chronic disease burden is a component of healthcare The fact that Americans intuit that it’s not is a worrying sign of just how broken our system is

robertlagrant 2y ago
> Americans intuit that it’s not Any evidence for this?
- llamaimperative 2y ago
  GP’s comment? It’s predicated on separating “high chronic disease burden” from “poor healthcare system performance.” I don’t think this is a broadly held belief, I think it’s the “eeehhrm actually…” contrarian belief that’s trying to discredit the consensus view that our healthcare system gets very poor results for the money. So it shows up in places like this exact HN thread.
  - robertlagrant 2y ago
    Sounds as though you're now not saying that Americans as a group think that. That's good.

thrance 2y ago

In western Europe, governments have a vested interest in the good health of their citizens, because a healthy citizen costs less to the healthcare system. The US government does not care that much about obesity, gun violence and all that jazz because it is not the one paying for the damages it does. All these factors contribute to the comparatively poorer life expectancy of Americans, which is, I agree, only a surface metric.

llamaimperative 2y ago
The government does end up paying for this via Medicare and Medicaid but doesn’t have good levers to solve it directly. The more important dynamic you’re pointing to is that private insurers don’t care because our insurance is tied to our employers and therefore is expected (by insurers) to churn every 4 years or so. It literally makes zero sense for a private insurer to invest in an American’s healthcare results more than 3 or so years down the road. Surprise surprise, we have best-in-class care for emergencies and complex acute cases, and absolutely atrocious management of early disease and lifestyle problems (which is when it’s most cost-effective to solve health problems).