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Why is the current finance minister of Israel engaging in "almost certainly made up anti-Israel propaganda"? https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-seeks-to-calm

Why is the current finance minister of Israel engaging in "almost certainly made up anti-Israel propaganda"? https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-seeks-to-calm-waters-with-jordan-after-racist-extremist-speech-by-smotrich/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-seeks-to-calm-waters-wi... The article talks about his a speech he made in Paris in March of 2023 in which he calls Palestinians a made-up people. The podium he is speaking from features a map of Israel that includes Jordanian and Syrian territory. Israel is literally invading and annexing Syrian territory (which the media is playing down as 'buffer zones'

edanm 2y ago
Because to (imo) Israel's great shame, its current finance minister is a right-wing extremist with very little support among the electorate, but unfortunately a very elevated position in the government because of Netanyahu's political necessities. His view doesn't come close to representing the majority Israeli view; I'm fairly certain that in most surveys these days he gets literally 0 seats in the Israeli Knesset.
- siltcakes 2y ago
  It's not accurate to say that his views are not represented by mainstream Israeli citizens. Most Israelis think the attack on Gaza has either been justified or not gone far enough! Israeli leadership very much represents the views of the majority in Israel (and Zionists outside of Israel). https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2024/05/30/israeli-views-of-the-israel-hamas-war/ https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2024/05/30/israeli-views-...
  - edanm 2y ago
    I was referring to his views on annexing Gaza, the West Bank or other views. You're asking a different question. In addition, that survey is from half a year ago. Surveys today show a majority of Israelis wanting a ceasefire-for-hostages deal.
    - siltcakes 2y ago
      I’ve not seen results that sound anything like that. Do you have a link to support your claim?
      - bhouston 2y ago
        When he says "Surveys today show a majority of Israelis wanting a ceasefire-for-hostages deal" he is right. But Netanyahu isn't likely to allow it to happen unless forced by an outside party. When one is close to a hostage deal Netanyahu does something to torpedo it, like this recent statement of his: https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/report-alarming-hostage-negotiators-pm-says-israel-should-be-upfront-about-plan-to-resume-war-after-deal/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/report-alarming... So there probably won't be a hostage deal.
        siltcakes 2y ago
        I would like to see one of these surveys since all data I’ve seen suggests Israelis support the genocide. I even posted the survey data we do have.

edanm 2y ago

Because to (imo) Israel's great shame, its current finance minister is a right-wing extremist with very little support among the electorate, but unfortunately a very elevated position in the government because of Netanyahu's political necessities. His view doesn't come close to representing the majority Israeli view; I'm fairly certain that in most surveys these days he gets literally 0 seats in the Israeli Knesset.

siltcakes 2y ago
It's not accurate to say that his views are not represented by mainstream Israeli citizens. Most Israelis think the attack on Gaza has either been justified or not gone far enough! Israeli leadership very much represents the views of the majority in Israel (and Zionists outside of Israel). https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2024/05/30/israeli-views-of-the-israel-hamas-war/ https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2024/05/30/israeli-views-...
- edanm 2y ago
  I was referring to his views on annexing Gaza, the West Bank or other views. You're asking a different question. In addition, that survey is from half a year ago. Surveys today show a majority of Israelis wanting a ceasefire-for-hostages deal.
  - siltcakes 2y ago
    I’ve not seen results that sound anything like that. Do you have a link to support your claim?
    - bhouston 2y ago
      When he says "Surveys today show a majority of Israelis wanting a ceasefire-for-hostages deal" he is right. But Netanyahu isn't likely to allow it to happen unless forced by an outside party. When one is close to a hostage deal Netanyahu does something to torpedo it, like this recent statement of his: https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/report-alarming-hostage-negotiators-pm-says-israel-should-be-upfront-about-plan-to-resume-war-after-deal/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/report-alarming... So there probably won't be a hostage deal.
      - siltcakes 2y ago
        I would like to see one of these surveys since all data I’ve seen suggests Israelis support the genocide. I even posted the survey data we do have.