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Look at Android vs Apple phones in the US. HN tends to really underestimate the impact of branding and product experience. It’s hard to argue anyone’s close to

Look at Android vs Apple phones in the US. HN tends to really underestimate the impact of branding and product experience. It’s hard to argue anyone’s close to OpenAI on that front (currently). Not to mention they’ve created a pretty formidable enterprise sales function. That’s the real money maker long term and outside of Google, it’s hard to imagine any of the current players outcompeting OpenAI.

bsimpson 2y ago
Dropbox and Slack are examples of another possible outcome: capture the early adopters and stay a player in the space, but still have your lunch eaten by big tech suites that ship similar products.
- tw1984 2y ago
  this is probably how OpenAI is going to end up with. there is no clear tech barrier that can't be crossed by competitors. openai came up with all sorts of cool stuff, but almost all of them have seen a peer competitor in just months. the recent release of deepseek v3 is a good example, o1 level model trained under 6 million USD, it pretty much beat openai by a large margin.
  - stavros 2y ago
    Where are you getting that Deepseek is at the level of o1? In my experience, it's not even as good as Claude.
    - esafak 2y ago
      Even v3? edit: Fair enough. I'm fishing for opinions too.
      - stavros 2y ago
        My testing has been very limited, so I don't want to opine too much. If anyone has a differing opinion based on more testing, please share, I'm interested!
        tomjuggler 2y ago
        So I've been using Deepseek for 3 months with Aider coding assistant. Look up the "Aider LLM leaderboard" for proper test results if you like, in my experience the Deepseek V3 is just as good as Claude at less than 1/10th the price. I can't speak about o1 it is just too expensive to be worth it OpenAI is going to be beaten on price, wait and see.
        stavros 2y ago
        Did Aider integrate v3 in its benchmarks? I checked yesterday and I didn't see it... EDIT: Oh it did, wow, and it's better than Claude! Fantastic, this is great news, thank you!

bsimpson 2y ago

Dropbox and Slack are examples of another possible outcome: capture the early adopters and stay a player in the space, but still have your lunch eaten by big tech suites that ship similar products.

tw1984 2y ago
this is probably how OpenAI is going to end up with. there is no clear tech barrier that can't be crossed by competitors. openai came up with all sorts of cool stuff, but almost all of them have seen a peer competitor in just months. the recent release of deepseek v3 is a good example, o1 level model trained under 6 million USD, it pretty much beat openai by a large margin.
- stavros 2y ago
  Where are you getting that Deepseek is at the level of o1? In my experience, it's not even as good as Claude.
  - esafak 2y ago
    Even v3? edit: Fair enough. I'm fishing for opinions too.
    - stavros 2y ago
      My testing has been very limited, so I don't want to opine too much. If anyone has a differing opinion based on more testing, please share, I'm interested!
      - tomjuggler 2y ago
        So I've been using Deepseek for 3 months with Aider coding assistant. Look up the "Aider LLM leaderboard" for proper test results if you like, in my experience the Deepseek V3 is just as good as Claude at less than 1/10th the price. I can't speak about o1 it is just too expensive to be worth it OpenAI is going to be beaten on price, wait and see.
        stavros 2y ago
        Did Aider integrate v3 in its benchmarks? I checked yesterday and I didn't see it... EDIT: Oh it did, wow, and it's better than Claude! Fantastic, this is great news, thank you!