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> You're asking for a lot of evidence on what's overall the opinions of an entire country we literally just had a referendum on that. moving further left from

by fargle 2y ago

> You're asking for a lot of evidence on what's overall the opinions of an entire country we literally just had a referendum on that. moving further left from 2016-2020-2024 lost voters. how pissed off do people have to be to have that result? that implies, very strongly, to me that there is a huge segment in the center-left to center-right that is really irritated right now. not bernie's group for sure. although he seems more center compared to the "squad". you should thank them for that.

mmooss 2y ago
I haven't heard anyone say that Harris 2024 was further left than Biden 2020. Biden 2020 was probably the furthest left of the campaigns you list, and won. Clinton was more centrist and Harris moved back toward the center, and both lost. Also, it's hard to imagine a centrist Dem voting for Trump in any circumstances.
johnnyanmac 2y ago
moving further left from 2016-2020-2024 lost voters. No, it continued the 30 year trend since Hw Bush. Right to left to right. It only really hints that people only rile up after the other party leaves office. So I guess "pissed off enough to be mildly annoying but not so pissed off to overcome an incumbent". But yes, the center is riled up, a little. The right moreso. Someone on the fringes is never not going to vote to begin with, so that's a bad way to judge those groups. >not bernie's group for sure. although he seems more center compared to the "squad". you should thank them for that. Really depends on your lens. For the EU, US is basically center right even with liberals. So Bernie would be a proper left wing candidate. But for US, that's about as liberal as we've been for decades. Decades of red scare narrative made many across the board hate the idea of "socialist ideals" like Universal healthcare and publicly owned utilities. It seems that's starting to crack,maybe.

by fargle 2y ago

mmooss 2y ago

I haven't heard anyone say that Harris 2024 was further left than Biden 2020. Biden 2020 was probably the furthest left of the campaigns you list, and won. Clinton was more centrist and Harris moved back toward the center, and both lost. Also, it's hard to imagine a centrist Dem voting for Trump in any circumstances.

johnnyanmac 2y ago

moving further left from 2016-2020-2024 lost voters. No, it continued the 30 year trend since Hw Bush. Right to left to right. It only really hints that people only rile up after the other party leaves office. So I guess "pissed off enough to be mildly annoying but not so pissed off to overcome an incumbent". But yes, the center is riled up, a little. The right moreso. Someone on the fringes is never not going to vote to begin with, so that's a bad way to judge those groups. >not bernie's group for sure. although he seems more center compared to the "squad". you should thank them for that. Really depends on your lens. For the EU, US is basically center right even with liberals. So Bernie would be a proper left wing candidate. But for US, that's about as liberal as we've been for decades. Decades of red scare narrative made many across the board hate the idea of "socialist ideals" like Universal healthcare and publicly owned utilities. It seems that's starting to crack,maybe.