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>leaving Gaza alone for 15+ years There's been a blockade of Gaza. The Israelis determine the caloric intake of the inhabitants of Gaza. Everyone in Gaza has a

>leaving Gaza alone for 15+ years There's been a blockade of Gaza. The Israelis determine the caloric intake of the inhabitants of Gaza. Everyone in Gaza has an Israeli issued ID card. I thought Israel's strategy as it related to Gaza was to "mow the grass" every couple of years. The Dahiya doctrine.

dismalaf 2y ago
> There's been a blockade of Gaza Are we going to forget that Gaza used to literally be Egypt? And that Egypt blockaded Gaza recently, even before the war? Israel literally let hundreds of thousands of Gazans work in Israel, travel and let goods through... Egypt also has a border with Gaza. What did they do? Did they help them? > I thought Israel's strategy as it related to Gaza was to "mow the grass" every couple of years. The Dahiya doctrine. The Dahiya doctrine relates to the fact both Hamas and Hezbollah have been lobbing rockets at Israel, more or less continuously, for the last 15 years.
- talldayo 2y ago
  > Are we going to forget that Gaza used to literally be Egypt? We could exhume a number of territorial mistakes that wouldn't be very kind to either side here. I think that it's best if we leave that can of worms where it lies, for the sake of Israel's territorial neighbors and particularly for the sake of Israelis.
- amingilani 2y ago
  > Israel literally let hundreds of thousands of Gazans work in Israel, travel and let goods through... Egypt also has a border with Gaza. What did they do? Did they help them? I'm baffled by your wilful ignorance. You paint Israel as this benevolent entity. Here are some numbers from this latest conflict alone[1]: Gaza Strip: 45,484+ killed Indirect deaths likely to be multiple times higher 6,000 to 10,000+ missing 108,090+ wounded 16,300+ detained 1,900,000 displaced West Bank: 835 killed 6,250+ wounded 12,100+ detained Militants inside Israel: 1,609 killed 200+ captured Lebanon and Syria: Total killed: 52,368+ Israel: 952 civilians killed 902 security forces killed 13,572 wounded (as of 22 Jan. 2024) 251 captured or abducted 200,000–500,000 displaced > for the last 15 years I recommend reading more about the timeline of events. This conflict is not 15 years old. And the answer isn't this straight-cut. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_Israeli–Palestinian_conflict https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_Israeli–Palest... [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel%E2%80%93Hamas_war https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel%E2%80%93Hamas_war
  - dismalaf 2y ago
    Losing doesn't not make you the belligerent.
    - amingilani 2y ago
      And winning does not require genocide. We have rules for war.
      - Jensson 2y ago
        Hamas breaks way more rules of war than Israel does, this is the punishment for that. It is impossible to "play fair" when the opponent is hiding their active soldiers among civilians, there is a reason that isn't allowed.
        omnimus 2y ago
        This doesnt change the rules for war states agree to. No matter what some group in conflict does. Especially if that group is minority and you are the significantly more powerful.
        talldayo 2y ago
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- bdangubic 2y ago
  The Dahiya doctrine relates to the fact both Hamas and Hezbollah have been lobbing rockets at Israel, more or less continuously, for the last 15 years one might wonder why that would be, just practicing lobbying skills for future basketball games at the olympics??!

dismalaf 2y ago

> There's been a blockade of Gaza Are we going to forget that Gaza used to literally be Egypt? And that Egypt blockaded Gaza recently, even before the war? Israel literally let hundreds of thousands of Gazans work in Israel, travel and let goods through... Egypt also has a border with Gaza. What did they do? Did they help them? > I thought Israel's strategy as it related to Gaza was to "mow the grass" every couple of years. The Dahiya doctrine. The Dahiya doctrine relates to the fact both Hamas and Hezbollah have been lobbing rockets at Israel, more or less continuously, for the last 15 years.

talldayo 2y ago
> Are we going to forget that Gaza used to literally be Egypt? We could exhume a number of territorial mistakes that wouldn't be very kind to either side here. I think that it's best if we leave that can of worms where it lies, for the sake of Israel's territorial neighbors and particularly for the sake of Israelis.
amingilani 2y ago
> Israel literally let hundreds of thousands of Gazans work in Israel, travel and let goods through... Egypt also has a border with Gaza. What did they do? Did they help them? I'm baffled by your wilful ignorance. You paint Israel as this benevolent entity. Here are some numbers from this latest conflict alone[1]: Gaza Strip: 45,484+ killed Indirect deaths likely to be multiple times higher 6,000 to 10,000+ missing 108,090+ wounded 16,300+ detained 1,900,000 displaced West Bank: 835 killed 6,250+ wounded 12,100+ detained Militants inside Israel: 1,609 killed 200+ captured Lebanon and Syria: Total killed: 52,368+ Israel: 952 civilians killed 902 security forces killed 13,572 wounded (as of 22 Jan. 2024) 251 captured or abducted 200,000–500,000 displaced > for the last 15 years I recommend reading more about the timeline of events. This conflict is not 15 years old. And the answer isn't this straight-cut. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_Israeli–Palestinian_conflict https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_Israeli–Palest... [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel%E2%80%93Hamas_war https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel%E2%80%93Hamas_war
- dismalaf 2y ago
  Losing doesn't not make you the belligerent.
  - amingilani 2y ago
    And winning does not require genocide. We have rules for war.
    - Jensson 2y ago
      Hamas breaks way more rules of war than Israel does, this is the punishment for that. It is impossible to "play fair" when the opponent is hiding their active soldiers among civilians, there is a reason that isn't allowed.
      - omnimus 2y ago
        This doesnt change the rules for war states agree to. No matter what some group in conflict does. Especially if that group is minority and you are the significantly more powerful.
      - talldayo 2y ago
        [flagged]
bdangubic 2y ago
The Dahiya doctrine relates to the fact both Hamas and Hezbollah have been lobbing rockets at Israel, more or less continuously, for the last 15 years one might wonder why that would be, just practicing lobbying skills for future basketball games at the olympics??!