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I agree. I find it incredibly difficult to believe this wasn’t a known issue until now. The NSA/CIA have unbelievable computing and analysis power available. A

I agree. I find it incredibly difficult to believe this wasn’t a known issue until now. The NSA/CIA have unbelievable computing and analysis power available. Anyway, IDRTFA, but I hope this was at least reported before the release of the talk. This sort of thing could get a lot of people killed.

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ryao 2y ago
From what I read elsewhere, it was reported to NATO and NATO did not respond.
wkat4242 2y ago
> This sort of thing could get a lot of people killed. NATO is not at war. People aren't dying. And I wouldn't be surprised if it's at least partly used to "leak" info to other state actors. Part of the cold war not turning hot was the mutual understanding of what went on in each block's military due to espionage. Without that, things could easily misinterpreted (and almost did a couple times like with able archer, which emphasizes the importance of this). Some things could not be shared officially but leaving it out in a not-fully-unbreakable form might well have been a way of hinting the enemy about intentions.
- wakawaka28 2y ago
  >NATO is not at war. People aren't dying. Ahem, NATO countries are assisting Ukraine in drone and missile attacks on Russia as we speak and foolishly floating the idea of adding Ukraine to NATO. Russian leadership has repeatedly said stuff along the lines of "Make no mistake, we are at war with NATO because Ukraine alone doesn't have the capabilities to do what it's been doing to attack us." So yes, NATO is essentially at war.
  - quickthrowman 2y ago
    > foolishly floating the idea of adding Ukraine to NATO Nobody in NATO is seriously suggesting Ukraine be added to NATO, especially right now.
    - wakawaka28 2y ago
      They have been floating the idea ever since before the war started. Now there is some backpedaling of course. Here's some propaganda from 2 weeks ago: https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/what-would-happen-if-ukraine-joined-nato-2024-12-17/ https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/what-would-happen-if-uk... >While eastern European countries say some sort of a road map should be offered to Kyiv at a NATO summit in Vilnius on Tuesday and Wednesday, the United States and Germany are wary of any move that might take the alliance closer to war with Russia. "Some" of NATO is clearly on board with it. The article says that the support must be unanimous, but I think we know who really runs NATO. At any rate, "some" of NATO is not "nobody in NATO" as you said. I could swear I hear these people talk about the issue every month or so.
      - quickthrowman 2y ago
        > They have been floating the idea Please be more specific than ‘they’. I’ll also remind you that journalists do not make policy, and policymakers don’t give a shit about journalists unless they’re trying to plant a story beneficial to them. > "Some" of NATO is clearly on board with it. The article says that the support must be unanimous, but I think we know who really runs NATO. At any rate, "some" of NATO is not "nobody in NATO" as you said. I could swear I hear these people talk about the issue every month or so. From the article you linked, emphasis mine: ‘While eastern European countries say some sort of a road map should be offered to Kyiv at a NATO summit in Vilnius on Tuesday and Wednesday, the United States and Germany are wary of any move that might take the alliance closer to war with Russia.’ It doesn’t matter if Poland and Lithuania want Ukraine in NATO, lmao. The US is NATO, and they’re not going to admit a country into NATO that is currently at war with Russia, it would immediately trigger Article V… which would either destroy NATO, or the world. Even if Ukraine won the war and Russia retreated, there is far too much corruption in Ukraine for it to seriously be considered for NATO and EU at this point in time.

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ryao 2y ago

From what I read elsewhere, it was reported to NATO and NATO did not respond.

wkat4242 2y ago

> This sort of thing could get a lot of people killed. NATO is not at war. People aren't dying. And I wouldn't be surprised if it's at least partly used to "leak" info to other state actors. Part of the cold war not turning hot was the mutual understanding of what went on in each block's military due to espionage. Without that, things could easily misinterpreted (and almost did a couple times like with able archer, which emphasizes the importance of this). Some things could not be shared officially but leaving it out in a not-fully-unbreakable form might well have been a way of hinting the enemy about intentions.

wakawaka28 2y ago
>NATO is not at war. People aren't dying. Ahem, NATO countries are assisting Ukraine in drone and missile attacks on Russia as we speak and foolishly floating the idea of adding Ukraine to NATO. Russian leadership has repeatedly said stuff along the lines of "Make no mistake, we are at war with NATO because Ukraine alone doesn't have the capabilities to do what it's been doing to attack us." So yes, NATO is essentially at war.
- quickthrowman 2y ago
  > foolishly floating the idea of adding Ukraine to NATO Nobody in NATO is seriously suggesting Ukraine be added to NATO, especially right now.
  - wakawaka28 2y ago
    They have been floating the idea ever since before the war started. Now there is some backpedaling of course. Here's some propaganda from 2 weeks ago: https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/what-would-happen-if-ukraine-joined-nato-2024-12-17/ https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/what-would-happen-if-uk... >While eastern European countries say some sort of a road map should be offered to Kyiv at a NATO summit in Vilnius on Tuesday and Wednesday, the United States and Germany are wary of any move that might take the alliance closer to war with Russia. "Some" of NATO is clearly on board with it. The article says that the support must be unanimous, but I think we know who really runs NATO. At any rate, "some" of NATO is not "nobody in NATO" as you said. I could swear I hear these people talk about the issue every month or so.
    - quickthrowman 2y ago
      > They have been floating the idea Please be more specific than ‘they’. I’ll also remind you that journalists do not make policy, and policymakers don’t give a shit about journalists unless they’re trying to plant a story beneficial to them. > "Some" of NATO is clearly on board with it. The article says that the support must be unanimous, but I think we know who really runs NATO. At any rate, "some" of NATO is not "nobody in NATO" as you said. I could swear I hear these people talk about the issue every month or so. From the article you linked, emphasis mine: ‘While eastern European countries say some sort of a road map should be offered to Kyiv at a NATO summit in Vilnius on Tuesday and Wednesday, the United States and Germany are wary of any move that might take the alliance closer to war with Russia.’ It doesn’t matter if Poland and Lithuania want Ukraine in NATO, lmao. The US is NATO, and they’re not going to admit a country into NATO that is currently at war with Russia, it would immediately trigger Article V… which would either destroy NATO, or the world. Even if Ukraine won the war and Russia retreated, there is far too much corruption in Ukraine for it to seriously be considered for NATO and EU at this point in time.