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>and a regrettably common claim among older conservative-ish folk. This is an excellent way to tell everyone you’re comment is just political garbage and can r

>and a regrettably common claim among older conservative-ish folk. This is an excellent way to tell everyone you’re comment is just political garbage and can readily be dismissed. It completely drowns any possible signal out with a huge red flag.

Terr_ 2y ago
"The introduction makes me feel insulted or uncomfortable, therefore your conclusion must be false."
- kortilla 2y ago
  Nope, the introduction is unfounded flame bait. So I assume someone using that is not engaging with any intent to have a meaningful discourse. It has nothing to do with feeling uncomfortable, it’s a statement about held beliefs being associated with a particular group and there is no evidence to back it up. It doesn’t matter who he thinks holds that view. Discuss the idea and refute it directly or shut up. Drop the appeals to tribalism
  - PaulDavisThe1st 2y ago
    The idea has been refuted by others over a period of several decades. At this point, it is more interesting that one political worldview still seems quite attached to the idea than the idea itself, which has been clearly shown to be false. It's quite analogous to trickle-down theory aka the laffer curve. Shown to be false multiple times over the last few decades. Still promoted by people of one particular political worldview and not others. That's the story here. The idea has been refuted, why are people still talking about it?
PaulDavisThe1st 2y ago
You mean that the fact that this mistruth/lie/distortion is predominantly told by people with a particular view of the world should simply be ignored?
- kortilla 2y ago
  It’s irrelevant to your point, so yes. You’re either making a statement about conservatives or you’re talking about actual ideas. You can’t have a meaningful conversation about ideas if you’re doing tribalism.
  - PaulDavisThe1st 2y ago
    and yet the history of ideas is shaped by and often labelled according to "tribalism". i am talking about an actual idea. an actual idea that happens to fit much more nicely into one political worldview than another. an idea that is repeated much more often by people who hold that worldview than by people who do not. an idea that is more or less demonstrably false. so i am talking about both the (false) idea and the fact the it is an idea that continues to be talked about (despite its falsehood) by a particular group of people. that can be a meaningful conversation even if you don't like it.

Terr_ 2y ago

"The introduction makes me feel insulted or uncomfortable, therefore your conclusion must be false."

kortilla 2y ago
Nope, the introduction is unfounded flame bait. So I assume someone using that is not engaging with any intent to have a meaningful discourse. It has nothing to do with feeling uncomfortable, it’s a statement about held beliefs being associated with a particular group and there is no evidence to back it up. It doesn’t matter who he thinks holds that view. Discuss the idea and refute it directly or shut up. Drop the appeals to tribalism
- PaulDavisThe1st 2y ago
  The idea has been refuted by others over a period of several decades. At this point, it is more interesting that one political worldview still seems quite attached to the idea than the idea itself, which has been clearly shown to be false. It's quite analogous to trickle-down theory aka the laffer curve. Shown to be false multiple times over the last few decades. Still promoted by people of one particular political worldview and not others. That's the story here. The idea has been refuted, why are people still talking about it?

PaulDavisThe1st 2y ago

You mean that the fact that this mistruth/lie/distortion is predominantly told by people with a particular view of the world should simply be ignored?

kortilla 2y ago
It’s irrelevant to your point, so yes. You’re either making a statement about conservatives or you’re talking about actual ideas. You can’t have a meaningful conversation about ideas if you’re doing tribalism.
- PaulDavisThe1st 2y ago
  and yet the history of ideas is shaped by and often labelled according to "tribalism". i am talking about an actual idea. an actual idea that happens to fit much more nicely into one political worldview than another. an idea that is repeated much more often by people who hold that worldview than by people who do not. an idea that is more or less demonstrably false. so i am talking about both the (false) idea and the fact the it is an idea that continues to be talked about (despite its falsehood) by a particular group of people. that can be a meaningful conversation even if you don't like it.