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That’s a perfectly fine response when the entire counter argument is “raising minimum wage is fine because everyone magically does better business to support it

That’s a perfectly fine response when the entire counter argument is “raising minimum wage is fine because everyone magically does better business to support it”. That’s ridiculous on its face because there isn’t any higher level of productivity so someone in the economy is eating that loss.

saagarjha 2y ago
I don't think it is that clear-cut, though. People who are well-fed, well-rested, free from stress and have good healthcare do tend to be more productive.
- nox101 2y ago
  You're ignoring all the people that lost their jobs and had their hours shortened. If 1000 people earn minimum wage, raising it, some of them make more money, some lose money because their hours are shortened, some lose money because the jobs disappear. Whether that's a net positive overall is what's debated.
  - pydry 2y ago
    >You're ignoring all the people that lost their jobs Because Dube, Lester, Reich says that they don't exist. Businesses pay for almost all hikes by dipping into their profit margins. A small % raise prices. A negligible number let people go.
    - robertlagrant 2y ago
      Is there no truth to the California fast food restaurant closure wave I heard about when they raised fast food minimum wage to $20/hour?
      - vlovich123 2y ago
        It’s not really clear. First, a lot of the criticism that restaurants are closing are from restaurants that would have closed anyway [1]. > The biggest expense Rubio’s has been facing is debt — a burden that has grown since the chain was acquired in 2010 by the private equity firm Mill Road Capital There’s an argument to be made that maybe the number of jobs in the fast food sector has decreased. But that’s also a myopic view since we need to know the labor situation statewide. Someone not in a fast food job might have found employment elsewhere which isn’t a bad thing, especially since the workers who do have those jobs are being paid a livable wage. https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2024-06-12/the-fast-food-industry-claims-the-california-minimum-wage-law-is-costing-jobs-its-numbers-are-fake https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2024-06-12/the-fast-f...
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- eru 2y ago
  It's legal for employers to offer these benefits.

saagarjha 2y ago

I don't think it is that clear-cut, though. People who are well-fed, well-rested, free from stress and have good healthcare do tend to be more productive.

nox101 2y ago
You're ignoring all the people that lost their jobs and had their hours shortened. If 1000 people earn minimum wage, raising it, some of them make more money, some lose money because their hours are shortened, some lose money because the jobs disappear. Whether that's a net positive overall is what's debated.
- pydry 2y ago
  >You're ignoring all the people that lost their jobs Because Dube, Lester, Reich says that they don't exist. Businesses pay for almost all hikes by dipping into their profit margins. A small % raise prices. A negligible number let people go.
  - robertlagrant 2y ago
    Is there no truth to the California fast food restaurant closure wave I heard about when they raised fast food minimum wage to $20/hour?
    - vlovich123 2y ago
      It’s not really clear. First, a lot of the criticism that restaurants are closing are from restaurants that would have closed anyway [1]. > The biggest expense Rubio’s has been facing is debt — a burden that has grown since the chain was acquired in 2010 by the private equity firm Mill Road Capital There’s an argument to be made that maybe the number of jobs in the fast food sector has decreased. But that’s also a myopic view since we need to know the labor situation statewide. Someone not in a fast food job might have found employment elsewhere which isn’t a bad thing, especially since the workers who do have those jobs are being paid a livable wage. https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2024-06-12/the-fast-food-industry-claims-the-california-minimum-wage-law-is-costing-jobs-its-numbers-are-fake https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2024-06-12/the-fast-f...
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eru 2y ago
It's legal for employers to offer these benefits.