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Calling vaping safer without there being any good evidence for that is quite a stretch. However I despise this pure resource waste. Can we just stop that instea

by jabwd 2y ago

Calling vaping safer without there being any good evidence for that is quite a stretch. However I despise this pure resource waste. Can we just stop that instead while we investigate the effects of inhaling burning copper and plastic?

ImPostingOnHN 2y ago
We would need sufficient evidence to conclude it's as dangerous as smoking, which I'm not sure we have. Also, we would need sufficient evidence to conclude that they all have the user inhale burning copper or plastic, which I'm not sure we have.
- jabwd 2y ago
  No, because that takes time, but that is my entire point. Claiming it is not as dangerous without actually knowing that is just, weird :/
  - ImPostingOnHN 2y ago
    It makes intuitive sense: all other things being equal, inhaling combustion products is worse than not inhaling combustion products. Thus, nicotine with combustion products is worse than nicotine without combustion products. We would need sufficient evidence to veer away from this data.
HyprMusic 2y ago
There's plenty of evidence, like most, you've just not bothered to search for it before forming your opinion. If you're genuinely interested, I recommend starting with this report: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/e-cigarettes-an-evidence-update https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/e-cigarettes-an-e...
- jabwd 2y ago
  This is honestly getting tiring. Not only is the billeting tone pointless, neither are those reports conclusive or evidence on their own. I formed my opinion over the years of the diseases that are being caused by a lot of people using these devices. Now these could be by overuse, other issues, bad mixtures, shoddy made devices, idk the list can continue. Maybe vaping is overpowered if controlled correctly. Could be. Just don't state it as a fact, when, in fact, it is not known.
  - nosrepa 2y ago
    Out of curiosity, can you list the diseases you mentioned?
  - ApolloFortyNine 2y ago
    It's pretty wild to call out someone's source as inconclusive but not link your own. Not surprising though.

by jabwd 2y ago

ImPostingOnHN 2y ago

We would need sufficient evidence to conclude it's as dangerous as smoking, which I'm not sure we have. Also, we would need sufficient evidence to conclude that they all have the user inhale burning copper or plastic, which I'm not sure we have.

jabwd 2y ago
No, because that takes time, but that is my entire point. Claiming it is not as dangerous without actually knowing that is just, weird :/
- ImPostingOnHN 2y ago
  It makes intuitive sense: all other things being equal, inhaling combustion products is worse than not inhaling combustion products. Thus, nicotine with combustion products is worse than nicotine without combustion products. We would need sufficient evidence to veer away from this data.

HyprMusic 2y ago

There's plenty of evidence, like most, you've just not bothered to search for it before forming your opinion. If you're genuinely interested, I recommend starting with this report: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/e-cigarettes-an-evidence-update https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/e-cigarettes-an-e...

jabwd 2y ago
This is honestly getting tiring. Not only is the billeting tone pointless, neither are those reports conclusive or evidence on their own. I formed my opinion over the years of the diseases that are being caused by a lot of people using these devices. Now these could be by overuse, other issues, bad mixtures, shoddy made devices, idk the list can continue. Maybe vaping is overpowered if controlled correctly. Could be. Just don't state it as a fact, when, in fact, it is not known.
- nosrepa 2y ago
  Out of curiosity, can you list the diseases you mentioned?
- ApolloFortyNine 2y ago
  It's pretty wild to call out someone's source as inconclusive but not link your own. Not surprising though.