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For each of these issues I can come up with a counter-point but it won't really solve anything. I agree that having this information available is a positive th

by kondro 14y ago

For each of these issues I can come up with a counter-point but it won't really solve anything. I agree that having this information available is a positive thing. Limiting it to either women, or even women in IT seems to be part of the problem (not the solution), in my opinion. By all means, market a generic series at women who may be having these problems, but I fail to see how limiting the audience to ONLY women stands up for equality.

jacques_chester 14y ago
Again, let me see if I have you right. A project launched by women, aimed at women, because women are an observable rarity in our industry ... is against equality. This isn't affirmative action. It's not a hiring policy. It's a private sector effort by interested individuals who want to help others like them.
- kondro 14y ago
  In my experience, it always pays to substitute the subject to the broader version when determining if something is discriminatory. How does this project sound? "A project [to empower men], launched by men, aimed at men, because men are an observable majority in our industry."
  - jacques_chester 14y ago
    > In my experience, it always pays to substitute the subject to the broader version when determining if something is discriminatory. How does that follow? I'd genuinely like to know your reasoning.
    - kondro 14y ago
      I come from a minority myself (gay from the ironically named Queensland) and find people say the stupidest things that, if modified as suggested, they would be embarrassed to say about themselves.
      - jacques_chester 14y ago
        Gay in Queensland is a tough ask, depending on how far north you are. But I'm still not following. How does substituting in "majority" for "minority" undermine the case for the minority?
tanglisha 14y ago
The information is targeted at women, because that's what we are. We will not turn anyone away, man, woman, trans, or otherwise: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/166494057/ladycoders-get-hired-seattle-2012#IAmMaleGendUnspCanIAtteTheSemi http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/166494057/ladycoders-get... In my opinion, targeting a message makes more sense than trying to make it overly broad to cover everyone, that only dilutes the information. You, of course, are welcome to disagree :)

by kondro 14y ago

jacques_chester 14y ago

Again, let me see if I have you right. A project launched by women, aimed at women, because women are an observable rarity in our industry ... is against equality. This isn't affirmative action. It's not a hiring policy. It's a private sector effort by interested individuals who want to help others like them.

kondro 14y ago
In my experience, it always pays to substitute the subject to the broader version when determining if something is discriminatory. How does this project sound? "A project [to empower men], launched by men, aimed at men, because men are an observable majority in our industry."
- jacques_chester 14y ago
  > In my experience, it always pays to substitute the subject to the broader version when determining if something is discriminatory. How does that follow? I'd genuinely like to know your reasoning.
  - kondro 14y ago
    I come from a minority myself (gay from the ironically named Queensland) and find people say the stupidest things that, if modified as suggested, they would be embarrassed to say about themselves.
    - jacques_chester 14y ago
      Gay in Queensland is a tough ask, depending on how far north you are. But I'm still not following. How does substituting in "majority" for "minority" undermine the case for the minority?

tanglisha 14y ago

The information is targeted at women, because that's what we are. We will not turn anyone away, man, woman, trans, or otherwise: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/166494057/ladycoders-get-hired-seattle-2012#IAmMaleGendUnspCanIAtteTheSemi http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/166494057/ladycoders-get... In my opinion, targeting a message makes more sense than trying to make it overly broad to cover everyone, that only dilutes the information. You, of course, are welcome to disagree :)