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I think a lot of people outside Europe will see this as overreach by the state, but given waste cleanup is paid for by the tax payer and is an ever increasing c

I think a lot of people outside Europe will see this as overreach by the state, but given waste cleanup is paid for by the tax payer and is an ever increasing cost/problem, banning products needlessly adding to rubbish when inexpensive reusable alternatives makes sense.

mangamadaiyan 2y ago
I think you mean "a lot of people in the USA" :) In most of the other parts of the world, people would either see the wisdom of this approach because they understand good government, or not bat an eyelid because they're used to bad government (and consequently overreach).
- hooloovoo_zoo 2y ago
  Well the EU smokes more than the US so it's also just a bigger problem there.
  - aziaziazi 2y ago
    Not so much, for e cigarettes : % of users between 01/23 and 03/23, top countries: Indonesia 32 Switzerland 30 Italia 25 UK 24 USA 23 [french] https://fr.statista.com/infographie/19421/part-des-fumeurs-qui-utilisent-la-cigarette-electronique/ https://fr.statista.com/infographie/19421/part-des-fumeurs-q... Also can’t find the source but I read they more prevalent for richer, more educated, urban people.
    - hedora 2y ago
      US wide averages for smoking are pretty useless. It varies a lot from region to region. It’s like taking the average of Europe, the continent. Anyway, as someone from the states, I think banning disposable electronics is a great idea in general. E-cigs seem like a great place to start.
      - wkat4242 2y ago
        Yeah in the Netherlands most young people don't smoke anymore. In Spain a lot of them do and people even smoke in clubs etc while this is banned EU wide. It doesn't bother me at all but it does happen.
    - thrdbndndn 2y ago
      He said smoke not just e-cigarette.
- VWWHFSfQ 2y ago
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realusername 2y ago
The state is responsible of public health and waste management anyways and those useless disposable vapes falls on these two categories.
Gigachad 2y ago
Disposable vapes are also causing a lot of garbage truck fires now.
- mmis1000 2y ago
  Throwing battery into trash can is a bad idea. And make the battery unremovable from trash is obviously even worse.
ajmurmann 2y ago
Another option would be to tax for the negative externality of waste disposal
entropyie 2y ago
Far more serious is that these disposable vapes are easily accessible to kids as young as 12. Literally one third of the kids in my child's secondary school are vaping in the toilets between classes. It would be much harder to do this if they had to pay for and use a large permanent vape . It's an epidemic and that is not hyperbole. The environmental gains of this ban are just icing on the cake.
bko 2y ago
I am one of these people that think its overreach. People find some value in this product. Enough so they're buying it even though its expensive and potentially hazardous to their health. All the problems associated with that problem should be managed. We should have technology to manage the waste. It's an engineering problem and I'd much rather prefer that we engineer technology to serve what people want than try to engineer humans to adapt to limitations of our technology. The most absurd manifestation of this attitude is an image heating people vs heating spaces and tries to unironically argue that people should prefer to live in cold spaces and just adapt with things like cozy furniture, warm clothes, hot drinks and local heating. Real dystopian stuff to anyone who has lived like this. https://sketchplanations.com/heating-people-heating-spaces https://sketchplanations.com/heating-people-heating-spaces
- atiedebee 2y ago
  Nowhere does that post or the image argue that people should prefer one over the other. Wearing warmer clothes instead of turning up the heater isn't a bad thing either, so I don't understand your hostility towards the idea?
- hombre_fatal 2y ago
  Well, on the other hand, we as a society should be able to decide if we want to allow some people to make $billions selling purely addictive substances to other people in our society. And whether they get to mass produce a bunch of e-waste in their pursuit of those $billions that the rest of society has to deal with. The personal choice aspect is actually the lesser consideration.
gruez 2y ago
>but given waste cleanup is paid for by the tax payer and is an ever increasing cost/problem, banning products needlessly adding to rubbish when inexpensive reusable alternatives makes sense. Why not tax it instead?

mangamadaiyan 2y ago

I think you mean "a lot of people in the USA" :) In most of the other parts of the world, people would either see the wisdom of this approach because they understand good government, or not bat an eyelid because they're used to bad government (and consequently overreach).

hooloovoo_zoo 2y ago
Well the EU smokes more than the US so it's also just a bigger problem there.
- aziaziazi 2y ago
  Not so much, for e cigarettes : % of users between 01/23 and 03/23, top countries: Indonesia 32 Switzerland 30 Italia 25 UK 24 USA 23 [french] https://fr.statista.com/infographie/19421/part-des-fumeurs-qui-utilisent-la-cigarette-electronique/ https://fr.statista.com/infographie/19421/part-des-fumeurs-q... Also can’t find the source but I read they more prevalent for richer, more educated, urban people.
  - hedora 2y ago
    US wide averages for smoking are pretty useless. It varies a lot from region to region. It’s like taking the average of Europe, the continent. Anyway, as someone from the states, I think banning disposable electronics is a great idea in general. E-cigs seem like a great place to start.
    - wkat4242 2y ago
      Yeah in the Netherlands most young people don't smoke anymore. In Spain a lot of them do and people even smoke in clubs etc while this is banned EU wide. It doesn't bother me at all but it does happen.
  - thrdbndndn 2y ago
    He said smoke not just e-cigarette.
VWWHFSfQ 2y ago
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realusername 2y ago

The state is responsible of public health and waste management anyways and those useless disposable vapes falls on these two categories.

Gigachad 2y ago

Disposable vapes are also causing a lot of garbage truck fires now.

mmis1000 2y ago
Throwing battery into trash can is a bad idea. And make the battery unremovable from trash is obviously even worse.

ajmurmann 2y ago

Another option would be to tax for the negative externality of waste disposal

entropyie 2y ago

Far more serious is that these disposable vapes are easily accessible to kids as young as 12. Literally one third of the kids in my child's secondary school are vaping in the toilets between classes. It would be much harder to do this if they had to pay for and use a large permanent vape . It's an epidemic and that is not hyperbole. The environmental gains of this ban are just icing on the cake.

bko 2y ago

I am one of these people that think its overreach. People find some value in this product. Enough so they're buying it even though its expensive and potentially hazardous to their health. All the problems associated with that problem should be managed. We should have technology to manage the waste. It's an engineering problem and I'd much rather prefer that we engineer technology to serve what people want than try to engineer humans to adapt to limitations of our technology. The most absurd manifestation of this attitude is an image heating people vs heating spaces and tries to unironically argue that people should prefer to live in cold spaces and just adapt with things like cozy furniture, warm clothes, hot drinks and local heating. Real dystopian stuff to anyone who has lived like this. https://sketchplanations.com/heating-people-heating-spaces https://sketchplanations.com/heating-people-heating-spaces

atiedebee 2y ago
Nowhere does that post or the image argue that people should prefer one over the other. Wearing warmer clothes instead of turning up the heater isn't a bad thing either, so I don't understand your hostility towards the idea?
hombre_fatal 2y ago
Well, on the other hand, we as a society should be able to decide if we want to allow some people to make $billions selling purely addictive substances to other people in our society. And whether they get to mass produce a bunch of e-waste in their pursuit of those $billions that the rest of society has to deal with. The personal choice aspect is actually the lesser consideration.

gruez 2y ago

>but given waste cleanup is paid for by the tax payer and is an ever increasing cost/problem, banning products needlessly adding to rubbish when inexpensive reusable alternatives makes sense. Why not tax it instead?