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What The Actual Fuck? HN is no place for a racist dick. Kindly fuck off. [edited to add - I expect downvotes or even a ban for my language. I will find a way

What The Actual Fuck? HN is no place for a racist dick. Kindly fuck off. [edited to add - I expect downvotes or even a ban for my language. I will find a way of coping with my grief, so don't worry about it]

spitx 14y ago
Whatever "Essential Frenchness" is, it most certainly is not centered around the milieu of the "beur". We agree that visitors don't come to France to be greeted by the likes of Galliano but they don't come looking for the likes of Salafists like Mohammed Merah either. Get your act together before its too late. You can only sweep these things under the rug for so long.
- nakkiel 14y ago
  There's only one thing I'm sure of. Visitors coming to France certainly don't visit to meet your likes.
  - spitx 14y ago
    What I find elusive is this polite society's fevered need to stomp down any finger-pointing in the direction of certain sections of society. If one were to take a look at their irrational phobia of discussion concerning these sensitive topics it would appear that this brand of furiousness at the very mention of something disagreeable is nothing but an outward veneer to fend off further pointed & valid accusations. It's weak weaponry. It shows you're on tenuous ground. It almost always indicates that you're defending the indefensible. That you're arguments are at best propped up by popular sentiments and not by objective observations. That anything found objectionable by the educated segments of a society is necessarily odious despite the facts.
    - nakkiel 14y ago
      Essentially you are admitting that you are racist and tired of being dismissed as such. You mention that our points are baseless and ignore tangible facts (which you have by the way failed to provide) and I'd like to bring to your attention that this is basically what racists are commonly accused of. I would like you to understand that when in doubt and facing two choices one should always prefer what favours human beings over any sort of ideology or other minor consideration; no matter the price (I mean it this way). But I find your way of reversing things funny and will dismiss you as being a troll and wish you good luck on your road. It's certainly a difficult one.
    - vacri 14y ago
      'Valid accusations'? You gave an example of one person being obnoxious and used it to condemn all others of the same origin. It is profoundly unscientific and illogical to build an argument the way you have.
  - chappi42 14y ago
    Certainly they prefer to be friendly accommodated guests in a Parisian McDonalds... (not that I find it a good idea to eat in McDonalds at all, especially when having the option of French cuisine..;)
    - jack-r-abbit 14y ago
      Spent 2 weeks in France. The first week was spent partaking in the various options of French cuisine. With that first week being torturous, the second week was spent eating at McDonalds. At least the McD's there sells beer. :)
vixen99 14y ago
It's also no place for gratuitously throwing around words like fuck and dick. Try extending your vocabulary.
- thenomad 14y ago
  What does the size of one's vocabulary have to do with whether you use expletives? Sorry, I know this is off-topic, but I've never really understood the "only uneducated people use swearwords" argument.
  - mkr-hn 14y ago
    Some educated people reel in horror at the thought that they aren't all that different from normal people aside from the number of things they've crammed into their head.
  - Prophasi 14y ago
    I'd take it to mean the size of one's vocabulary in practice, not just the words s/he knows. There's obviously still no necessary implication that a swearer's vocab usage is worse than that of a non-swearer. Strict logic aside, though, I've anecdotally observed that folks who swear publicly among people they don't know tend to swear easily and often, and given the inherent flexibility of most swear words, I think it's fair to say increased usage usually takes a toll on eloquence and creativity in diction. The relationship isn't necessary, but it's intuitive and observably common.
    - thenomad 14y ago
      Interesting ideas, but I'm not convinced by your last point. Amongst the people I know who swear with reasonable frequency, I don't see any correlation with lack of eloquence. Indeed, I can think without trying very hard think of published authors, professional screenwriters and famous Shakespearean actors who would fit into the "uses profanity reasonably casually" description.
      - Prophasi 14y ago
urbanjunkie 14y ago
Nothing gratuitous about my use of those words. I thought carefully about using them, and I believe they vividly and correctly convey my vehemence and disdain for racists.

spitx 14y ago

Whatever "Essential Frenchness" is, it most certainly is not centered around the milieu of the "beur". We agree that visitors don't come to France to be greeted by the likes of Galliano but they don't come looking for the likes of Salafists like Mohammed Merah either. Get your act together before its too late. You can only sweep these things under the rug for so long.

nakkiel 14y ago
There's only one thing I'm sure of. Visitors coming to France certainly don't visit to meet your likes.
- spitx 14y ago
  What I find elusive is this polite society's fevered need to stomp down any finger-pointing in the direction of certain sections of society. If one were to take a look at their irrational phobia of discussion concerning these sensitive topics it would appear that this brand of furiousness at the very mention of something disagreeable is nothing but an outward veneer to fend off further pointed & valid accusations. It's weak weaponry. It shows you're on tenuous ground. It almost always indicates that you're defending the indefensible. That you're arguments are at best propped up by popular sentiments and not by objective observations. That anything found objectionable by the educated segments of a society is necessarily odious despite the facts.
  - nakkiel 14y ago
    Essentially you are admitting that you are racist and tired of being dismissed as such. You mention that our points are baseless and ignore tangible facts (which you have by the way failed to provide) and I'd like to bring to your attention that this is basically what racists are commonly accused of. I would like you to understand that when in doubt and facing two choices one should always prefer what favours human beings over any sort of ideology or other minor consideration; no matter the price (I mean it this way). But I find your way of reversing things funny and will dismiss you as being a troll and wish you good luck on your road. It's certainly a difficult one.
  - vacri 14y ago
    'Valid accusations'? You gave an example of one person being obnoxious and used it to condemn all others of the same origin. It is profoundly unscientific and illogical to build an argument the way you have.
- chappi42 14y ago
  Certainly they prefer to be friendly accommodated guests in a Parisian McDonalds... (not that I find it a good idea to eat in McDonalds at all, especially when having the option of French cuisine..;)
  - jack-r-abbit 14y ago
    Spent 2 weeks in France. The first week was spent partaking in the various options of French cuisine. With that first week being torturous, the second week was spent eating at McDonalds. At least the McD's there sells beer. :)

vixen99 14y ago

It's also no place for gratuitously throwing around words like fuck and dick. Try extending your vocabulary.

thenomad 14y ago
What does the size of one's vocabulary have to do with whether you use expletives? Sorry, I know this is off-topic, but I've never really understood the "only uneducated people use swearwords" argument.
- mkr-hn 14y ago
  Some educated people reel in horror at the thought that they aren't all that different from normal people aside from the number of things they've crammed into their head.
- Prophasi 14y ago
  I'd take it to mean the size of one's vocabulary in practice, not just the words s/he knows. There's obviously still no necessary implication that a swearer's vocab usage is worse than that of a non-swearer. Strict logic aside, though, I've anecdotally observed that folks who swear publicly among people they don't know tend to swear easily and often, and given the inherent flexibility of most swear words, I think it's fair to say increased usage usually takes a toll on eloquence and creativity in diction. The relationship isn't necessary, but it's intuitive and observably common.
  - thenomad 14y ago
    Interesting ideas, but I'm not convinced by your last point. Amongst the people I know who swear with reasonable frequency, I don't see any correlation with lack of eloquence. Indeed, I can think without trying very hard think of published authors, professional screenwriters and famous Shakespearean actors who would fit into the "uses profanity reasonably casually" description.
    - Prophasi 14y ago

urbanjunkie 14y ago

Nothing gratuitous about my use of those words. I thought carefully about using them, and I believe they vividly and correctly convey my vehemence and disdain for racists.