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that is because in america a large majority of people’s entire identity is tied to one of the two political parties. there are no liberals who believe is small

that is because in america a large majority of people’s entire identity is tied to one of the two political parties. there are no liberals who believe is small government and state’s rights, no conservatives who believe in woman’s rights or that america would collapse without immigrants… for majority of people every single opinion and thought they have just magically lines up with one political party - maaaagic… hence, saying both parties are the same will effectively offend everyone :)

Spooky23 2y ago
The democrats made a fundamental miscalculation in the late 90s that you can simply pander to brown people and they will turn out for you. The messaging is complex because you tell different audiences different things, and the Internet makes it complicated because conservative Hispanic Catholics don’t align with the platform. In doing that, they ceded rural America, which was devastated by NAFTA and other Clinton era policies. Giant agribusiness makes money, but the prosperous dairy operators really need regulation at the federal level to thrive. I grew up in a town that was solid rural democrat… that was gutted like a fish. 30 operating dairy farms to 1, which is a vertically integrated farm/dairy that delivers to consumers directly. The feed stores, gone. Tractor dealer, gone. The best job in town is truck driving and it’s solid trumper land. The modern conservative narrative is really simple, and is mostly hot air. Those chicken processing plants and farms in nowhereville that need a steady supply of cheap, dumb labor with no workers comp aren’t run by democrats. Bread & circus, until the crowd demands more.
- bdangubic 2y ago
  Giant agribusiness makes money, but the prosperous dairy operators really need regulation at the federal level to thrive. good thing we elected a party that loves nothing more than federal regulation… /s I am neither democrat nor republican so I have no skin in the game here but I think this thinking here is very naive.
  - Spooky23 2y ago
    The grain market is a function of government regulation and price controls. The difference there is we scaled it up. Ever wonder why thousands of Mexicans woke up one day and decided to walk across the desert, never to return? Well, we flooded the market with massive quantities of subsidized corn and put their farms out of business. We did the same thing domestically with other commodities in places like New Jersey and Pennsylvania. With dairy, you had in-state production requirements and quotas that maintained a balance in price. A smallish dairy farm could support a household reasonably prosperously — there were thousands of farms in places like New York. Now you need thousands of cows to survive - that why milk is often cheaper than water in the supermarket. But just like WalMart, it gutted a key price of the rural economy. Hell, I watched it happen on a farm I worked on, that operated since the 1600s under the Dutch. Since the early 2000s they board horses for rich people to pay their property taxes.
- dralley 2y ago
  NAFTA was far, far less impactful than China's entry into the WTO.
devin 2y ago
The current infighting between republicans over H1Bs seems a counterexample.
- JasserInicide 2y ago
  Republicans have always been pro-immigrant because it's inherently pro-business. They just have to do a song and dance routine for the low IQ racist cohort of their constituency to make it seem like they're tough on it. Though I will say it's been rather amusing watching people act betrayed by Elon's thoughts on H1-B visa holders. Like, how did you idiots not see this coming? He's the richest person in the world for a reason. Plus he's an immigrant.
  - bdangubic 2y ago
    wait until they find out he is an immigrant… they are still processing vance is married to an indian and that vivek is not white…
    - macintux 2y ago
      There are doubts about Melania’s immigration status. She may have worked under the wrong visa and lied about it when filing for naturalization, which would make her an illegal immigrant as well.
  - krapp 2y ago
    They thought Elon was one of them because he's "anti-woke," just like they thought Trump was one of them because he "didn't talk like a politician."
  - Levitz 2y ago
    >Republicans have always been pro-immigrant because it's inherently pro-business. They just have to do a song and dance routine for the low IQ racist cohort of their constituency to make it seem like they're tough on it. It has consistently been about illegal immigration. You are calling people "low IQ" and "Idiots" and you, literally in this very post, show you are falling for the same thing they fell for.
AdieuToLogic 2y ago
Categorizing in terms of absolutes, such as "there are no liberals who ..." and "no conservatives who ...", is to engage in reductionism for the purpose of supporting a preconceived notion: ... for majority of people every single opinion and thought they have just magically lines up with one political party ... This is simply not true.
- bdangubic 2y ago
  it simply is :) EDIT: I’ll elaborate quickly why… the country is so divided these days that you can hardly engage in any conversation regarding politics across the aisle. so your only option to discuss things is with like-minded people. now when you get into like-minded group there is a herd mentality happening and serious echo chamber. here’s a personal example - one of my dearest friends on this planet used to be as liberal as they come - 100% all the way… over the years, due to various reasons like the direction of the democratic party as well as deep-end social media she turned right. it did not happen overnight, it happened over several election cycles. I have watched her be swayed to the right on issue by issue … I am educated and wise and I understood this (she is not the only one either in my “circle”) and I looked at all the issues and was like “ok, sure but she will NEVER be against abortion…” well… you know how this story ends… I do believe that majority (I was talking in absolutes before but of course there are no absolutes) of americans are simply not smart enough to realize that two-party system made them mental slaves to those parties… finding pro-abortion republican might be as interesting as trying to find waldo :)
  - AdieuToLogic 2y ago
    >> Categorizing in terms of absolutes, such as "there are no liberals who ..." and "no conservatives who ...", is to engage in reductionism ... >> This is simply not true. > it simply is :) People make choices for a multitude of reasons. Sometimes those choices are knowingly to their detriment and can be confounding to others whom are not a part of their decision process. Many times the reasoning is "sacrifice for the greater good", where "the greater good" is defined by the very people who are the harbinger of their pain. Other times, it can be as simple as; "my life sucks so everyone else's should too!" I am sure there are many more categories which could be provided as well. But to say: .. for majority of people every single opinion and thought they have just magically lines up with one political party ... Is to be so dismissive of people as to be the height of arrogance.

Spooky23 2y ago

The democrats made a fundamental miscalculation in the late 90s that you can simply pander to brown people and they will turn out for you. The messaging is complex because you tell different audiences different things, and the Internet makes it complicated because conservative Hispanic Catholics don’t align with the platform. In doing that, they ceded rural America, which was devastated by NAFTA and other Clinton era policies. Giant agribusiness makes money, but the prosperous dairy operators really need regulation at the federal level to thrive. I grew up in a town that was solid rural democrat… that was gutted like a fish. 30 operating dairy farms to 1, which is a vertically integrated farm/dairy that delivers to consumers directly. The feed stores, gone. Tractor dealer, gone. The best job in town is truck driving and it’s solid trumper land. The modern conservative narrative is really simple, and is mostly hot air. Those chicken processing plants and farms in nowhereville that need a steady supply of cheap, dumb labor with no workers comp aren’t run by democrats. Bread & circus, until the crowd demands more.

bdangubic 2y ago
Giant agribusiness makes money, but the prosperous dairy operators really need regulation at the federal level to thrive. good thing we elected a party that loves nothing more than federal regulation… /s I am neither democrat nor republican so I have no skin in the game here but I think this thinking here is very naive.
- Spooky23 2y ago
  The grain market is a function of government regulation and price controls. The difference there is we scaled it up. Ever wonder why thousands of Mexicans woke up one day and decided to walk across the desert, never to return? Well, we flooded the market with massive quantities of subsidized corn and put their farms out of business. We did the same thing domestically with other commodities in places like New Jersey and Pennsylvania. With dairy, you had in-state production requirements and quotas that maintained a balance in price. A smallish dairy farm could support a household reasonably prosperously — there were thousands of farms in places like New York. Now you need thousands of cows to survive - that why milk is often cheaper than water in the supermarket. But just like WalMart, it gutted a key price of the rural economy. Hell, I watched it happen on a farm I worked on, that operated since the 1600s under the Dutch. Since the early 2000s they board horses for rich people to pay their property taxes.
dralley 2y ago
NAFTA was far, far less impactful than China's entry into the WTO.

devin 2y ago

The current infighting between republicans over H1Bs seems a counterexample.

JasserInicide 2y ago
Republicans have always been pro-immigrant because it's inherently pro-business. They just have to do a song and dance routine for the low IQ racist cohort of their constituency to make it seem like they're tough on it. Though I will say it's been rather amusing watching people act betrayed by Elon's thoughts on H1-B visa holders. Like, how did you idiots not see this coming? He's the richest person in the world for a reason. Plus he's an immigrant.
- bdangubic 2y ago
  wait until they find out he is an immigrant… they are still processing vance is married to an indian and that vivek is not white…
  - macintux 2y ago
    There are doubts about Melania’s immigration status. She may have worked under the wrong visa and lied about it when filing for naturalization, which would make her an illegal immigrant as well.
- krapp 2y ago
  They thought Elon was one of them because he's "anti-woke," just like they thought Trump was one of them because he "didn't talk like a politician."
- Levitz 2y ago
  >Republicans have always been pro-immigrant because it's inherently pro-business. They just have to do a song and dance routine for the low IQ racist cohort of their constituency to make it seem like they're tough on it. It has consistently been about illegal immigration. You are calling people "low IQ" and "Idiots" and you, literally in this very post, show you are falling for the same thing they fell for.

AdieuToLogic 2y ago

Categorizing in terms of absolutes, such as "there are no liberals who ..." and "no conservatives who ...", is to engage in reductionism for the purpose of supporting a preconceived notion: ... for majority of people every single opinion and thought they have just magically lines up with one political party ... This is simply not true.

bdangubic 2y ago
it simply is :) EDIT: I’ll elaborate quickly why… the country is so divided these days that you can hardly engage in any conversation regarding politics across the aisle. so your only option to discuss things is with like-minded people. now when you get into like-minded group there is a herd mentality happening and serious echo chamber. here’s a personal example - one of my dearest friends on this planet used to be as liberal as they come - 100% all the way… over the years, due to various reasons like the direction of the democratic party as well as deep-end social media she turned right. it did not happen overnight, it happened over several election cycles. I have watched her be swayed to the right on issue by issue … I am educated and wise and I understood this (she is not the only one either in my “circle”) and I looked at all the issues and was like “ok, sure but she will NEVER be against abortion…” well… you know how this story ends… I do believe that majority (I was talking in absolutes before but of course there are no absolutes) of americans are simply not smart enough to realize that two-party system made them mental slaves to those parties… finding pro-abortion republican might be as interesting as trying to find waldo :)
- AdieuToLogic 2y ago
  >> Categorizing in terms of absolutes, such as "there are no liberals who ..." and "no conservatives who ...", is to engage in reductionism ... >> This is simply not true. > it simply is :) People make choices for a multitude of reasons. Sometimes those choices are knowingly to their detriment and can be confounding to others whom are not a part of their decision process. Many times the reasoning is "sacrifice for the greater good", where "the greater good" is defined by the very people who are the harbinger of their pain. Other times, it can be as simple as; "my life sucks so everyone else's should too!" I am sure there are many more categories which could be provided as well. But to say: .. for majority of people every single opinion and thought they have just magically lines up with one political party ... Is to be so dismissive of people as to be the height of arrogance.