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> If that claim about hand made items being better were true, there would be a market for hand made CPUs Isn't a CPU kind of one of the most complex thing huma

by diggan 2y ago

> If that claim about hand made items being better were true, there would be a market for hand made CPUs Isn't a CPU kind of one of the most complex thing humanity has ever created in hardware terms? Like the scales involved are so different, compared to the examples of a guitar, chisel or knife. It requires so tiny tolerances and measurements, that I guess we're past it's even possible to "make a CPU by hand" that comes close to our current CPUs. Sure, you can always use old CPU designs from back in the day, but a knife today can be the same as it was 2000 years ago, it just has to be sharp and comfortable, so really hard to compare. > I have seen this sentiment expressed, but I have yet to see any real evidence for it. Have you gone searching for evidence? The examples being guitars, chisels, knifes, suit and shoes, sounds simple to search how the top-of-the-line stuff is made. I'd bet on that high quality things from those categories are in fact typically hand-made.

ryao 2y ago
Nobody expressing the general sentiment of “hand made is intrinsically better than factory made” has been able to produce evidence of intrinsic superiority. The burden of proof is on those making such claims and evidence largely favors factories as producing superior products. There can be exceptions, but that is due to bad decisions rather than some intrinsic issue with the idea of a factory production line.
- roughly 2y ago
  > I really don’t expect to learn any differently by doing further research, which I expect to be a waste of my time. I guess that settles that, then.
  - ryao 2y ago
    I had moved the shoe anecdote before I saw your reply since it fit better elsewhere and I did not want to write the same thing twice: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42544305 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42544305 Anyway, why waste my time doing further research just because a random guy who convinced himself arguably inferior hand made goods are superior to factory made goods did not like hearing that? The opportunity cost is not worthwhile: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opportunity_cost https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opportunity_cost Finally, “if you have not done enough research to agree with me, you have not done enough research” is a fallacious line of thought, since it excludes the possibility you are wrong. Coincidentally, I have an interest in this particular line of research since it is hard for me to find shoes that fit. That is why I have several pairs of the same exact shoe in my closet in the first place. In any case, I have done enough research to be comfortable. The fact that the results do not align with your beliefs is your problem.

by diggan 2y ago

ryao 2y ago

Nobody expressing the general sentiment of “hand made is intrinsically better than factory made” has been able to produce evidence of intrinsic superiority. The burden of proof is on those making such claims and evidence largely favors factories as producing superior products. There can be exceptions, but that is due to bad decisions rather than some intrinsic issue with the idea of a factory production line.

roughly 2y ago
> I really don’t expect to learn any differently by doing further research, which I expect to be a waste of my time. I guess that settles that, then.
- ryao 2y ago
  I had moved the shoe anecdote before I saw your reply since it fit better elsewhere and I did not want to write the same thing twice: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42544305 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42544305 Anyway, why waste my time doing further research just because a random guy who convinced himself arguably inferior hand made goods are superior to factory made goods did not like hearing that? The opportunity cost is not worthwhile: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opportunity_cost https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opportunity_cost Finally, “if you have not done enough research to agree with me, you have not done enough research” is a fallacious line of thought, since it excludes the possibility you are wrong. Coincidentally, I have an interest in this particular line of research since it is hard for me to find shoes that fit. That is why I have several pairs of the same exact shoe in my closet in the first place. In any case, I have done enough research to be comfortable. The fact that the results do not align with your beliefs is your problem.