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Nobody here is anti-immigration. The reality is that the H1B program is being used not to bring in individuals with 130+ IQ, but essentially anyone with a bach
by xpl 2y ago
Nobody here is anti-immigration.
The reality is that the H1B program is being used not to bring in individuals with 130+ IQ, but essentially anyone with a bachelor's degree, which can be easily obtained from diploma mills. In some third-world countries, you can even buy your degree outright.
For the top 0.1%, there are O1 visas, as well as EB1 and EB2-NIW visas — the latter two don't even require an employer and can be self-sponsored. Plus, they grant you a green card, unlike the H1B, which ties you to an employer.
However, to qualify for these visas, you need to demonstrate that you're genuinely valuable to the U.S. They are designed for top-tier entrepreneurs, engineers, scientists, and artists with a verifiable track record. These visas can also be gamed, but it's much harder than with the H1B program.
- kelipso 2y agoI seriously doubt anyone in the above list got in through the O1 visa.
- energy123 2y agoIf H1B immigrants generates more tax revenue and contribute more on average than locals, largely because of gems like Sundar Pichai that couldn't make the bureaucratic credentialist hurdle of the O1, then what's the problem? It should be expanded and reformed, not contracted and reformed. If you're concerned about degree mills then reform that aspect while expanding the net intake.
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- bfrog 2y agoSundar Pichai a gem? What? Are we using the same Google?
- leosanchez 2y agoHe might be referring to his work on Google Chrome
- cmxch 2y agoI’d be fine if a third of the total compensation was diverted to a fund that all but takes a minimum of 50k per person per job /gives 100k minimum tax-free per affected citizen in the lowest LCOL, both adjusted upward for locality. To make people whole, that fund would cover citizens in the job market from 2003 onwards that specialized in anything with exposure to the various programs that disincentivized citizens. Then have it apply irrespective of job status. If you want the best and brightest, pay for the damages created by badly formed policy.
- punkbit 2y agoI know two people who got the o1 visa, without any top skills. Professionally, their work was very poor and their track record exaggerated, if not fake. During the time they got theirs accepted (which showed up on my Twitter timeline), noticed that plenty of other random people were celebrating getting theirs too. All approved around the same period. I’m pretty sure that it was the o1 visa because I clicked to try to understand what that meant. And was also curious how someone so untalented got it and why so many people were mentioning it on Twitter (I understand the algorithm was curating these for me as I showed interest).
- UncleMeat 2y agoIn the last few days I've seen hundreds of pure anti-immigration posts across various tech focused communities. O1 has an incredibly high bar and not something that "this person has a PhD from a top institution and a strong publication record" can guarantee.
- xpl 2y agoI was responding to the comment regarding "how about the top 0.1%". H-1B isn't designed for bringing the 0.1%, there are other visas that already do exactly that. Also, it is not so high bar, I know people even without a degree who got O1, it isn't even a requirement. But you need to have a public track record of various kinds. Also, I am not against visas intended to fill labor shortages. But it needs to be done in a way that incentivizes hiring local talent over foreign. Currently the H-1B works the other way around. This has to be dealt with. Like raising the minimum salary, making it significantly more expensive to hire an H-1B worker than a local one, and removing the exploitative leverage employers have over visa holders — people shouldn't have to fear negotiating for better terms due to the threat of deportation. That would likely fix it.
- dyauspitr 2y agoThe average IQ of Indian Americans is 112. That being the average I can see a large percentage being 130+. https://www.forbes.com/2009/02/24/bobby-jindal-indian-americans-opinions-contributors_immigrants_minority.html https://www.forbes.com/2009/02/24/bobby-jindal-indian-americ...