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> This is not a "you must use usb-c" law, but rather "you must figure out how to get along" law. No, this is exactly "you must use USB-C law." Please don't re

by tgma 2y ago

> This is not a "you must use usb-c" law, but rather "you must figure out how to get along" law. No, this is exactly "you must use USB-C law." Please don't reframe it as a strawman. > Apple would include an extra/expanded connector like a number of other device producers. They did mandate such thing IIRC, just not forced directly on device, which is a slightly better IMO, to mandate how something is sold rather than dictating how the device should be built.

viraptor 2y ago
It's usb-c currently with an explicit: if there's a consensus, it can be changed. See point 9 of https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=uriserv%3AOJ.L_.2022.315.01.0030.01.ENG&toc=OJ%3AL%3A2022%3A315%3ATOC https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=uriserv%... I mean, the point of the regulation is not usb-c. It's literally called a harmonisation directive, with a currently chosen implementation.
- tgma 2y ago
  That literally means you have to change the law first, then innovate. If you read it any other way, you'd be naive. Good luck getting to "consensus" with the low end Android manufacturers who do not give a flying fuck about the customer experience and want to save $0.02. It just won't happen before they are forced to do it by the market competition, which won't happen now.
  - viraptor 2y ago
    It has already happened. This is a change to usb-c from the previously enforced micro-USB which was also done by the EU. So it can be done again. > Good luck getting to "consensus" with the low end Android manufacturers Are they going to be more influential than Apple? Because this change happened even with Apple opposing it. And I really don't believe others have a stronger voice in Europe.
    - tgma 2y ago
      MicroUSB was not mandated on the device. The adapter shipped in the box satisfied the requirements. If it weren't for competition from Lightning (2 sided connector) I'm not sure the switch to USB-C would have happened either so no that wasn't a legal transition of the same sort. Apple is a minority manufacturer in the EU especially now that UK is not part of the EU. Plus EU politicians measure their manhood by sticking it to US companies so they love hating on Apple and Google and favoring China and South Korea.

by tgma 2y ago

viraptor 2y ago

It's usb-c currently with an explicit: if there's a consensus, it can be changed. See point 9 of https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=uriserv%3AOJ.L_.2022.315.01.0030.01.ENG&toc=OJ%3AL%3A2022%3A315%3ATOC https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=uriserv%... I mean, the point of the regulation is not usb-c. It's literally called a harmonisation directive, with a currently chosen implementation.

tgma 2y ago
That literally means you have to change the law first, then innovate. If you read it any other way, you'd be naive. Good luck getting to "consensus" with the low end Android manufacturers who do not give a flying fuck about the customer experience and want to save $0.02. It just won't happen before they are forced to do it by the market competition, which won't happen now.
- viraptor 2y ago
  It has already happened. This is a change to usb-c from the previously enforced micro-USB which was also done by the EU. So it can be done again. > Good luck getting to "consensus" with the low end Android manufacturers Are they going to be more influential than Apple? Because this change happened even with Apple opposing it. And I really don't believe others have a stronger voice in Europe.
  - tgma 2y ago
    MicroUSB was not mandated on the device. The adapter shipped in the box satisfied the requirements. If it weren't for competition from Lightning (2 sided connector) I'm not sure the switch to USB-C would have happened either so no that wasn't a legal transition of the same sort. Apple is a minority manufacturer in the EU especially now that UK is not part of the EU. Plus EU politicians measure their manhood by sticking it to US companies so they love hating on Apple and Google and favoring China and South Korea.