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Do you have any numbers that would verify that? Or even any other statement on that issue? Pretty sure determining the "scale" of any kind of intelligence activ

Do you have any numbers that would verify that? Or even any other statement on that issue? Pretty sure determining the "scale" of any kind of intelligence activity is unbelievably murky, as you might be able to imagine.

Cyph0n 2y ago
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ministry_of_State_Security_(China) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ministry_of_State_Security_(...
- monadINtop 2y ago
  Nice a Wikipedia article. Where can I find any indication of comparative scale compared to any other nation, like I asked? Just going by a blind guess and knowledge of the world, I guess it's pretty much correlated with economy and geopolitical dominance, so I'd expect America to be number one simply as a result of it's wealth and strategic dominance in the last century, and then China somewhere around the level of the rest of NATO or Russia or something (though I'm sure rapidly rising, which would explain the growing anxiety of the corporate mouthpieces in The Economist).
  - Cyph0n 2y ago
    In a nutshell, it has a unique structure, a wider mandate, and operates a bit differently than your typical intelligence service - especially domestically. "One of the largest and most secretive intelligence organizations in the world, it maintains powerful branches at the provincial, city, municipality and township levels throughout China."
    - monadINtop 2y ago
      >operates a bit differently than your typical intelligence service - especially domestically Fair enough. But as wild speculation with no real insight, I'd guess that such a large mass organizational structure probably also precludes the same rigid centralization and advanced capabilities of other intelligence agencies i.e. it probably operates more as a snitching hotline to gather less specific intel on a wider range of people with less ability to perform any actionable espionage type operations, instead of a horde of spies illegally infiltrating every western government, university, and business. But again I got no real idea.

Cyph0n 2y ago

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ministry_of_State_Security_(China) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ministry_of_State_Security_(...

monadINtop 2y ago
Nice a Wikipedia article. Where can I find any indication of comparative scale compared to any other nation, like I asked? Just going by a blind guess and knowledge of the world, I guess it's pretty much correlated with economy and geopolitical dominance, so I'd expect America to be number one simply as a result of it's wealth and strategic dominance in the last century, and then China somewhere around the level of the rest of NATO or Russia or something (though I'm sure rapidly rising, which would explain the growing anxiety of the corporate mouthpieces in The Economist).
- Cyph0n 2y ago
  In a nutshell, it has a unique structure, a wider mandate, and operates a bit differently than your typical intelligence service - especially domestically. "One of the largest and most secretive intelligence organizations in the world, it maintains powerful branches at the provincial, city, municipality and township levels throughout China."
  - monadINtop 2y ago
    >operates a bit differently than your typical intelligence service - especially domestically Fair enough. But as wild speculation with no real insight, I'd guess that such a large mass organizational structure probably also precludes the same rigid centralization and advanced capabilities of other intelligence agencies i.e. it probably operates more as a snitching hotline to gather less specific intel on a wider range of people with less ability to perform any actionable espionage type operations, instead of a horde of spies illegally infiltrating every western government, university, and business. But again I got no real idea.