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I’m put off by their website. It seems too well crafted for their main focus to be on their stated goal of giving individuals the tools to treat themselves. T

I’m put off by their website. It seems too well crafted for their main focus to be on their stated goal of giving individuals the tools to treat themselves. The actual aim seems closer to marketing or perhaps influencing public discourse on the subject https://fourthievesvinegar.org/ https://fourthievesvinegar.org/

saagarjha 2y ago
…which would be one way of giving individuals those tools, no?
mandmandam 2y ago
I would imagine that there are many designers out there who would be very happy to contribute to a project like this on a volunteer basis. Also, purposely making your website look less "well crafted" strikes me as quite cynical (and almost certainly counterproductive). > The actual aim seems closer to marketing or perhaps influencing public discourse on the subject A worthy aim, no? ... How much do giant drug corps spend on marketing? Last I remember, it was more than they spend on drug development; in the tens of billions of dollars annually. In this context, quibbling that a website seems too nice seems remarkably misguided. Finally, considering how much effort has been put into helping people actually make these things - far more than anyone else! - I think trying to redefine their aim to be just marketing is deeply unfair.
Hasu 2y ago
> It seems too well crafted for their main focus to be on their stated goal of giving individuals the tools to treat themselves. Is this how you think about everything? Do you go to a restaurant with nice chairs and think, "The food here must suck, they spend too much money on the furniture"?
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- georgeburdell 2y ago
  When it’s a small operation, yes I get suspicious that they’re not focusing on their stated mission with their limited resources. Also, ambience is part of the sensory pleasure of a restaurant.
- Dilettante_ 2y ago
  Hell yeah, you know the best food comes from the dingiest joints
noxer 2y ago
They do the whole warrant canary completely wrong tho.
gcr 2y ago
I’d argue that the political message is indivisible from the information-giving message in this case. Most of the groups doing this are in the business because they have a distrust for authority, desire to help community, etc. Shouldn’t we expect their messaging to be a little on the anarchist or libertarian side?

saagarjha 2y ago

…which would be one way of giving individuals those tools, no?

mandmandam 2y ago

I would imagine that there are many designers out there who would be very happy to contribute to a project like this on a volunteer basis. Also, purposely making your website look less "well crafted" strikes me as quite cynical (and almost certainly counterproductive). > The actual aim seems closer to marketing or perhaps influencing public discourse on the subject A worthy aim, no? ... How much do giant drug corps spend on marketing? Last I remember, it was more than they spend on drug development; in the tens of billions of dollars annually. In this context, quibbling that a website seems too nice seems remarkably misguided. Finally, considering how much effort has been put into helping people actually make these things - far more than anyone else! - I think trying to redefine their aim to be just marketing is deeply unfair.

Hasu 2y ago

> It seems too well crafted for their main focus to be on their stated goal of giving individuals the tools to treat themselves. Is this how you think about everything? Do you go to a restaurant with nice chairs and think, "The food here must suck, they spend too much money on the furniture"?

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georgeburdell 2y ago
When it’s a small operation, yes I get suspicious that they’re not focusing on their stated mission with their limited resources. Also, ambience is part of the sensory pleasure of a restaurant.
Dilettante_ 2y ago
Hell yeah, you know the best food comes from the dingiest joints

noxer 2y ago

They do the whole warrant canary completely wrong tho.

gcr 2y ago

I’d argue that the political message is indivisible from the information-giving message in this case. Most of the groups doing this are in the business because they have a distrust for authority, desire to help community, etc. Shouldn’t we expect their messaging to be a little on the anarchist or libertarian side?