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There must be strong punishment for frivolous lawsuits. This company is entirely in the wrong and the execs should be in prison, but instead they are wasting ti
by progbits 2y ago
There must be strong punishment for frivolous lawsuits. This company is entirely in the wrong and the execs should be in prison, but instead they are wasting time and money with the copyright and other bullshit, trying to demotivate and distract the researchers.
- visarga 2y ago> they are wasting time and money with the copyright and other bullshit One more reason copyright deserves to die.
- CuriouslyC 2y agoMaybe not die, just get reformed and shortened considerably
- 93po 2y agoI think intellectual property is a really bad concept, but I will acquiesce that short-term protection on some ideas, which can faithfully accounted back to significant investment cost, is a fair compromise. However this would never work well in our current system, and I'd rather there simply be not IP laws at all.
- miki123211 2y agoPolish person here, as far as I understand, our SLAPP protections are basically nonexistent, which is why this is allowed to happen. In the US, a lawsuit like this would never fly.
- consp 2y agoIm not familiar with polish law but does the loser pay all like in most other countries in the EU? (And pays more if deemed frivolous) does not solve the money up front problem but might bite them in the ass afterwards.
- jakozaur 2y agoThe loser pays, but the fees are capped in Poland relatively to low amount.
- jakozaur 2y agoIn the USA there are many lawsuits and they could bankrupt you just by making a painful discovery. Though Poland needs to modernize it's law.
- llm_trw 2y agoA reminder that Musk was willing to spend $44b rather than go through discovery in a civil lawsuit. That should tell you something about how fucked the system is.
- Wowfunhappy 2y agoWell, but Musk was going to loose anyway. His options were: - Pay $44 billion. - Pay $44 billion and go through Discovery.
- llm_trw 2y agoOption C). Pay 1 billion to keep the lawsuit going forever.
- gruez 2y agoCan you really keep a lawsuit going "forever"? You'd probably run out of appeal options around 5-10 years in.
- freehorse 2y agoDoubtful twitter would last more than the lawsuit
- arcticbull 2y agoIt was doing kinda okay actually, lol, it's doing much worse now.
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- ajuc 2y agoThe basic difference that makes it slightly less of a deal than it looks like is - unlike in the US - the whole lawsuit costs in Poland are paid by the person that lost the case. The issue is still having the money when you need them before you win, and the lost time and nerves. Even choosing 2 different courts in opposite sides of Poland is pointing at this tactic by Newag.
- jfengel 2y agoThe bar to proving SLAPP is quite high in the US. The protections do exist but they're so obscure and difficult that nobody feels safe, and invalid suits occur all the time.
- wombatpm 2y agoThe bar varies state by state. In CA it’s reasonable, in TX not so much.
- dreamcompiler 2y agoSLAPP protections in the US vary by state because there is no federal anti-SLAPP statute [yet].
- arcticbull 2y agoSLAPP laws in the US vary from place to place, from fairly strong to non-existent. California has strong anti-SLAPP protection, whereas Michigan and Alabama have none at all. There is no federal anti-SLAPP law. So at least federally and in certain US states such litigation would absolutely fly in the US.
- jdiez17 2y agoDelay, deflect, derail.
- phantom_wizard 2y agoThis "company" is strongly connected with previous government and their prime minister Mateusz Morawiecki (company owner is his close colleague), they work more like organized crime than legal entity copying the Russians. Sometimes, but not often, they even make some assassinations and I'm afraid it may be so in this case. There was a female deputy Magdalena Biejat, now a president candidate, who was trying to make some public inquiry but the deputies from other party prevented that. It all works because the former ruling party organized around themselves some kind of semi-religious cult consisting of around 1/3 of nation, usually older people that oppose everything they don't understand.
- praptak 2y agoIt was MPs from both parties: Adamczyk (PiS) and Sowa (PO) who opposed the investigation[0]. When it comes to "helping the business" both parties act the same way. [0] https://www.wnp.pl/logistyka/chca-by-sprawa-newagu-zajely-sie-sluzby-pojawil-sie-powazny-zarzut,890817.html https://www.wnp.pl/logistyka/chca-by-sprawa-newagu-zajely-si...
- klausa 2y agoI’m polish and I legitimately do not know what are you talking about. Mind expanding a bit about your perceived dramatis personae here?
- seba_dos1 2y agoHaven't you mistaken Magdalena Biejat (senator and presidential candidate) with Paulina Matysiak (deputy making inquiries, now sued by Newag as well)? They're coming from the same political background, but are in fact two distinct women :)
- immibis 2y ago> It all works because the former ruling party organized around themselves some kind of semi-religious cult consisting of around 1/3 of nation, usually older people that oppose everything they don't understand this describes every country's conservative party btw
- whamlastxmas 2y agoI think there should be professional association punishment for arguments presented in court that done so knowingly in bad faith. The examples given in the mental gymnastics used to claim copyright infringement is a great example. It's blatantly false and not true, and it's presented despite knowing it will be easily countered, because the FUD it provides to the jury makes it appear like a stronger case. It's arguing to prey on the vulnerabilities of human psychology rather than doing so in good faith and trying to represent someone's rights under the law.