5 ms·

Apparently two survivors are the crew members who were at the tail section. Even if (big if) their physical injuries are not critical, they are likely permanent

Apparently two survivors are the crew members who were at the tail section. Even if (big if) their physical injuries are not critical, they are likely permanently psychologically scarred. I somehow doubt you can continue working in an airline after that.

aaron695 2y ago
[flagged]
- Swenrekcah 2y ago
  Look I understand the sentiment to be annoyed by some people think they are traumatised because someone called them by the wrong name or called them a bigot or something. This is not that.
  - michaelsshaw 2y ago
    I think Aaron is referring more to the unreal expectations placed on people who experience shocking events. You'll hear things like "how can you still do this?" Or being treated like not a person, but a vessel to receive the sympathy of others. The expectations of you being "fucked up" or "scarred" is imposed on you from others and is obnoxious, if I'm being honest. I'd go easy on him, it sounds like he may have experienced that feeling recently.
    - Swenrekcah 2y ago
      Fair point, I didn’t think of that possibility. And I do agree, it is sometimes like people see those kinds of traumas experienced by other people as marketing opportunities for themselves.
    - potato3732842 2y ago
      >The expectations of you being "fucked up" or "scarred" is imposed on you from others and is obnoxious, It's worse than that. Societal expectations of whether one ought to be traumatized play a huge part in whether people are traumatized. So all these people are making the problem worse.
- HeatrayEnjoyer 2y ago
  No one said "man-child" until you did.
andaja 2y ago
“ a Serbian flight attendant who survived the highest fall without a parachute: 10.16 kilometres (6.31 miles) or 33,338 feet … She had little to no memory of the incident and had no qualms about flying in the aftermath of the crash. Despite her willingness to resume work as a flight attendant, Jat Airways (JAT) gave her a desk job negotiating freight contracts, feeling her presence on flights would attract too much publicity.“ https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vesna_Vulovi%C4%87 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vesna_Vulovi%C4%87
potato3732842 2y ago
Not everyone is that fragile. A lot of people would assume that their odds of being involved in two crashes are basically zero and go on working.
- IAmGraydon 2y ago
  To the contrary, the psychological reaction is likely “If the nearly impossible could happen to me, the chances are much higher than I thought.” It may not be correct, but traumatic experiences don’t exactly lead to rational thought.
- CapcomGo 2y ago
  Interesting use of fragile - you must be an aviation accident survivor? I would love to hear the details!
  - drowsspa 2y ago
    Yeah, calling "fragile" someone who's afraid after an airplane crash has to be peak Hacker News
    - RealityVoid 2y ago
      To be fair, the way he worded it called them NOT fragile. I think he has a point. We don't know how they are mentally, some might be fine, some might be not. Ascribing the way we think we would feel about it to the survivors feels wrong somehow.
- drowsspa 2y ago
  Some other people would recognize that the failures are basically independent, so their odds of getting in another accident is the same.
  - daedrdev 2y ago
    Its probably not entirely independent, anyone who knows these two were the only survivors of a crash will probably work to ensure things are extra careful unconsciously

aaron695 2y ago

[flagged]

Swenrekcah 2y ago
Look I understand the sentiment to be annoyed by some people think they are traumatised because someone called them by the wrong name or called them a bigot or something. This is not that.
- michaelsshaw 2y ago
  I think Aaron is referring more to the unreal expectations placed on people who experience shocking events. You'll hear things like "how can you still do this?" Or being treated like not a person, but a vessel to receive the sympathy of others. The expectations of you being "fucked up" or "scarred" is imposed on you from others and is obnoxious, if I'm being honest. I'd go easy on him, it sounds like he may have experienced that feeling recently.
  - Swenrekcah 2y ago
    Fair point, I didn’t think of that possibility. And I do agree, it is sometimes like people see those kinds of traumas experienced by other people as marketing opportunities for themselves.
  - potato3732842 2y ago
    >The expectations of you being "fucked up" or "scarred" is imposed on you from others and is obnoxious, It's worse than that. Societal expectations of whether one ought to be traumatized play a huge part in whether people are traumatized. So all these people are making the problem worse.
HeatrayEnjoyer 2y ago
No one said "man-child" until you did.

andaja 2y ago

“ a Serbian flight attendant who survived the highest fall without a parachute: 10.16 kilometres (6.31 miles) or 33,338 feet … She had little to no memory of the incident and had no qualms about flying in the aftermath of the crash. Despite her willingness to resume work as a flight attendant, Jat Airways (JAT) gave her a desk job negotiating freight contracts, feeling her presence on flights would attract too much publicity.“ https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vesna_Vulovi%C4%87 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vesna_Vulovi%C4%87

potato3732842 2y ago

Not everyone is that fragile. A lot of people would assume that their odds of being involved in two crashes are basically zero and go on working.

IAmGraydon 2y ago
To the contrary, the psychological reaction is likely “If the nearly impossible could happen to me, the chances are much higher than I thought.” It may not be correct, but traumatic experiences don’t exactly lead to rational thought.
CapcomGo 2y ago
Interesting use of fragile - you must be an aviation accident survivor? I would love to hear the details!
- drowsspa 2y ago
  Yeah, calling "fragile" someone who's afraid after an airplane crash has to be peak Hacker News
  - RealityVoid 2y ago
    To be fair, the way he worded it called them NOT fragile. I think he has a point. We don't know how they are mentally, some might be fine, some might be not. Ascribing the way we think we would feel about it to the survivors feels wrong somehow.
drowsspa 2y ago
Some other people would recognize that the failures are basically independent, so their odds of getting in another accident is the same.
- daedrdev 2y ago
  Its probably not entirely independent, anyone who knows these two were the only survivors of a crash will probably work to ensure things are extra careful unconsciously