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38C3: Illegal Instructions
- jansan 2y agoI know that I am old-fashioned, but I find it slightly disturbing that there is this outstanding talk showing vulnerabilities of the German power grid, and on the other side they seem to encourage exactly this kind of attacks on the power infrastructure in the opening ceremony ( https://media.ccc.de/v/38c3-opening-ceremony#t=1140 https://media.ccc.de/v/38c3-opening-ceremony#t=1140 ).
- fragmede 2y agothat talk is being discussed on https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42535622 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42535622
- DyslexicAtheist 2y agonot really disturbing, but rather expected. The price of freedom is disobedience. Here a headline from 2018 by The Guardian about RisingUp and Extincion-Rebellion: > 'We have a duty to act': hundreds ready to go to jail over climate crisis This article is more than 6 years old > Rowan Williams backs call for mass civil disobedience ‘to bypass the government’s inaction and defend life itself’
- rrr_oh_man 2y agoPeople here are more fond of the obedience side of things, it seems.
- poincaredisk 2y agoI am, personally. If everyone ignored the rules and laws, we wouldn't have much of a society.
- maeil 2y agoIf everyone had abided by rules and laws, the US would still have hard segregation laws, etc.
- tremon 2y agoIf everyone had abided by rules and laws, the US wouldn't exist as a country.
- fl0id 2y agoYeah, and rules and laws are never just, just because of their nature. Like dictators have laws… incompetent governments have laws… so law itself is a bad argument to follow it and a lot of socio-legal literature actually recognizes that social processes and to some degree social contracts that can include the exact opposite of the law are often at least as important.
- perching_aix 2y agoOn it's own this doesn't justify neither the abolishment of law nor its disregarding at-scale. That said, nor do I think anyone was actually going for that angle here, so I think we're getting side-tracked.
- nuancebydefault 2y agoRules and laws made by whom?
- perching_aix 2y agoHow do you know that?
- athrowaway3z 2y ago>Only a Sith deals in absolutes Even cliche children stories know your reasoning is ridiculous at best.
- Barrin92 2y agoperformative disobedience, particular in an age of mass social media is the opposite of a change agent, it's a spectacle and the other side of the coin of the status quo, both of which usually feed on each other. Deleuze saw that very early: "The social machine’s limit is not attrition, but rather its misfirings; it can operate only by fits and starts, by grinding and breaking down, in spasms of minor explosions. The dysfunctions are an essential component of its very ability to function, which is not the least important aspect of the system of cruelty. The death of a social machine has never been heralded by a disharmony or a dysfunction; on the contrary, social machines make a habit of feeding on the controversies they give rise to, on the crises they provoke, on the anxieties they engender, and on the infernal operations they regenerate.[...] No one has ever died from contradictions. And the more it breaks down, the more it schizophrenizes, the better it works, the American way."
- aftbit 2y agoIts the old question, chaos or stability? The bird or the cage? Freedom and justified fear, or stifling safety? Usually the young and disaffected are more on the side of chaos, with more to gain and less to lose, while the old and powerful prefer stability for the opposite reason.
- this_user 2y agoWe have several groups like that in Germany, one of which became quite prominent for repeatedly blocking roads and other actions like that. On balance, they have probably done more harm than good by infuriating people and turning their attention away from the actual issue of climate change towards a discussion of the actions of these groups which have found very little support overall.
- franga2000 2y agoWhat do you mean by "exactly these kinds of attacks"? Besides both mentioning power infrastructure, they are completely different things. One is "hey, terrorists or enemy states could destroy our entire grid, we'd all be fucked if this happened, here's what needs to be done to protect ourselves", the other is "hey, these powerful groups are destroying the planet for personal gain, do you think it might be justified to sabotage the tools they use to do that?" Mass outages harm the public, sabotaging fossil fuel infrastrusture protects it. Even if the methods of the grid talk were applicable to such sabotage, which they really aren't, I don't see how hosting both of these discussions is a bad thing.
- the-lazy-guy 2y agoSabotaging any infrastracture harms people. Transitioning to clean energy can be (and is being) sped up by actual peaceful actions. The second talk is especially ridiculous when the speaker suggests to sabotage datacenters, because they use a lot of resources. I guess it is part of the "degrowth" ideology, which I find deeply flawed.
- maeil 2y ago> Sabotaging any infrastracture harms people. Transitioning to clean energy can be (and is being) sped up by actual peaceful actions. It's entirely arbitrary to propose that only "peaceful" (an inherently relative term depending on your personal belief system) action can speed this up, while non-peaceful action cannot, that this property is a necessary requirement. Unless of course your definition of "peaceful" is "thing that speeds up this transition". Would be pretty different from the average definition of the word, though.
- perching_aix 2y agoThey didn't say anything about peacefulness being a requirement to speeding up a transition to clean energy. They also didn't say that it's the peacefulness aspect of the ongoing peaceful changes that is accelerating transition. You're trying to outreason an opinion, and not only that, but you're also attempting to do so by putting words into their mouth. Please reconsider. Debating the unspecified nature of a word isn't exactly the most productive thing in the world either. The vast, vast majority of natural language is that way. Kind of a pivotal feature of natural languages really.
- littlestymaar 2y agoCCC stands for “Chaos computer club” after all.
- timewizard 2y ago[dead]
- bekantan 2y agoJoscha Bach's talk: https://media.ccc.de/v/38c3-self-models-of-loving-grace https://media.ccc.de/v/38c3-self-models-of-loving-grace
- aberoham 2y agoThis talk was one of the best so far, highly recommended.
- mckirk 2y agoThey are among the highlights for me every year. Just the right amount of brain melting information density.
- chb 2y agoThat was a mind-expanding 45-minute talk. Than you for highlighting it.
- Xen9 2y agoSeems crazy. I identify with my agency, id est, self = agency + few memories. This is saying the opposite? I would guess it comes from not knowing what you want. If you don't go through the Uberman process, then you end up saying things like that.
- Theory42 2y agoI really liked this talk as well. One part that I'm not sure I can fully agree with, though, is the idea of fully re-conceptualizing the self. It is possible to self-author, and partially change...but I have never heard of nor met anyone who just became a totally different person. I'm willing to concede that he may have been speaking hypothetically, or that maybe the idea of changing the self will be more accessible to AGI rather than for humanity.
- uipfjp 2y agoFreeFire
- ugjka 2y agoThe first talks had some audio issues, hope they got it fixed
- eptcyka 2y agoWhat happened with the newag talk?
- Trellmor 2y agoYou can watch it here https://media.ccc.de/v/38c3-we-ve-not-been-trained-for-this-life-after-the-newag-drm-disclosure https://media.ccc.de/v/38c3-we-ve-not-been-trained-for-this-...
- toxik 2y agoThe video player makes my iPhone near scalding hot. It also lost charge while on a charger. How?
- cmeacham98 2y agoIf anybody that runs the website is here, may I suggest the ability to filter/sort the talks by language? Several of the talks are given in a language I'm not fluent in, and not all contain translations.
- leipert 2y agoA lot of the talks are actually dubbed in English and French (and sometimes in other languages). Edit: the dubbing (like everything at the conference) is done by volunteers. You can also contribute the language filtering yourself: https://github.com/voc/voctoweb https://github.com/voc/voctoweb
- davrosthedalek 2y agoAddition: At least last year, they would often reupload videos with more languages later on. So if the talk you are interested in is not available in a language you speak, check back later.
- moogly 2y agoAre subtitled versions coming too, or perhaps just transcripts?
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- notpushkin 2y agoThey do make subtitles, although some talks from 37C3 are still marked as TODO so I’m not sure what the timeline is. You can help! https://c3subtitles.de/ https://c3subtitles.de/ And by the way, here’s the language filter issue – not a lot of discussion since it was created in 2019, though: https://github.com/voc/voctoweb/issues/399 https://github.com/voc/voctoweb/issues/399
- 7bit 2y agoAnd how many articles are non-english exactly? One of a thousand? Just leave the page and move on with your life.