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Is flying getting less safe, or are incidents just getting more attention?

by shepherdjerred 2y ago

franciscop 2y ago
Flying can become safer WHILE also having more number of accidents, by just having more people fly now than ever.
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m3kw9 2y ago
I don’t think so, but if they broadcast all horrific car crashes daily, people may really get spooked
- winwang 2y ago
  ...makes me wonder if we should do that. would it lead to safer driving?
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  - imoverclocked 2y ago
    Aviation is safe largely because of training and adherence to procedure. I'm not sure about elsewhere in the world but the US population of drivers seems largely immune to both of these things for driving a car.
    - rplnt 2y ago
      A lot of people see driving a car as a right, instead of a privilege it is (or should be). It goes hand in hand with little required training and lenient punishments.
keyle 2y ago
I know it's technically safer to be in an airplane than a car, but for some reason the helplessness of being inside a plane always gets to me. This idea of being in a metal barrel thrown at 900kmh relying on a hundred years of fuck-around-&-find-out at the mercy of a pilot who I do not know "but trust me". Yeesh. Still, statistically, undeniably, the safest way to move people.
- n144q 2y ago
  > at the mercy of a pilot who I do not know "but trust me" Well, I trust a professionally trained commercial airline pilot more than a random Uber driver any day. Literally been on cars where driver is watching TikTok while driving, among other dangerous behavior.
- wat10000 2y ago
  So safe that it’s getting hard to quantify in places. The last airline passenger fatality in the US was almost seven years ago. Compare with an average of well over 100 per day on the roads. There’s a lot more driving, but only by a factor of ~10.
- NotYourLawyer 2y ago
  > technically safer to be in an airplane than a car Safer per mile. I doubt it’s safer per hour.
  - mmiyer 2y ago
    No definitely safer per hour. "In 2022, the fatality rate for people traveling by air was . 003 deaths per 100 million miles traveled. The death rate people in passenger cars and trucks on US highways was 0.57 per 100 million miles." [1] Adjusting for a speed difference of 10x it's 0.03 for planes and 0.57 for cars. Which makes sense - it's pretty easy to crash a car, and much harder to crash a plane (there's not much to crash into in the air). 1. https://usafacts.org/articles/is-flying-safer-than-driving/ https://usafacts.org/articles/is-flying-safer-than-driving/
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raincom 2y ago
The dangerous parts of flying are landing and take off. Everything else is safe.
- Mistletoe 2y ago
  This is not the case near Russian airspace.
  - raincom 2y ago
    That's why SFO to Delhi is routed more towards the eastern part of Russia after the war.
loeg 2y ago
No and yes.
jonas21 2y ago
Flying commercially has been getting dramatically safer over time: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/aviation-fatalities-per-million-passengers https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/aviation-fatalities-per-m... The numbers aren't in for the current year yet, but they will likely be just a little bit worse than 2019, placing this year in the top 5 on record for safety (all of which have been in the past decade).
bloodyplonker22 2y ago
Variance sometimes comes in groups.

Is flying getting less safe, or are incidents just getting more attention?

franciscop 2y ago

Flying can become safer WHILE also having more number of accidents, by just having more people fly now than ever.

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m3kw9 2y ago

I don’t think so, but if they broadcast all horrific car crashes daily, people may really get spooked

winwang 2y ago
...makes me wonder if we should do that. would it lead to safer driving?
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- imoverclocked 2y ago
  Aviation is safe largely because of training and adherence to procedure. I'm not sure about elsewhere in the world but the US population of drivers seems largely immune to both of these things for driving a car.
  - rplnt 2y ago
    A lot of people see driving a car as a right, instead of a privilege it is (or should be). It goes hand in hand with little required training and lenient punishments.

keyle 2y ago

I know it's technically safer to be in an airplane than a car, but for some reason the helplessness of being inside a plane always gets to me. This idea of being in a metal barrel thrown at 900kmh relying on a hundred years of fuck-around-&-find-out at the mercy of a pilot who I do not know "but trust me". Yeesh. Still, statistically, undeniably, the safest way to move people.

n144q 2y ago
> at the mercy of a pilot who I do not know "but trust me" Well, I trust a professionally trained commercial airline pilot more than a random Uber driver any day. Literally been on cars where driver is watching TikTok while driving, among other dangerous behavior.
wat10000 2y ago
So safe that it’s getting hard to quantify in places. The last airline passenger fatality in the US was almost seven years ago. Compare with an average of well over 100 per day on the roads. There’s a lot more driving, but only by a factor of ~10.
NotYourLawyer 2y ago
> technically safer to be in an airplane than a car Safer per mile. I doubt it’s safer per hour.
- mmiyer 2y ago
  No definitely safer per hour. "In 2022, the fatality rate for people traveling by air was . 003 deaths per 100 million miles traveled. The death rate people in passenger cars and trucks on US highways was 0.57 per 100 million miles." [1] Adjusting for a speed difference of 10x it's 0.03 for planes and 0.57 for cars. Which makes sense - it's pretty easy to crash a car, and much harder to crash a plane (there's not much to crash into in the air). 1. https://usafacts.org/articles/is-flying-safer-than-driving/ https://usafacts.org/articles/is-flying-safer-than-driving/
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raincom 2y ago

The dangerous parts of flying are landing and take off. Everything else is safe.

Mistletoe 2y ago
This is not the case near Russian airspace.
- raincom 2y ago
  That's why SFO to Delhi is routed more towards the eastern part of Russia after the war.

loeg 2y ago

No and yes.

jonas21 2y ago

Flying commercially has been getting dramatically safer over time: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/aviation-fatalities-per-million-passengers https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/aviation-fatalities-per-m... The numbers aren't in for the current year yet, but they will likely be just a little bit worse than 2019, placing this year in the top 5 on record for safety (all of which have been in the past decade).

bloodyplonker22 2y ago

Variance sometimes comes in groups.