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It's probably a pretty large set of people, perhaps even the majority, since I'd suspect that most people don't pay for additional iCloud storage and can't fit

by kemayo 2y ago

It's probably a pretty large set of people, perhaps even the majority, since I'd suspect that most people don't pay for additional iCloud storage and can't fit their photo library into 5GB. In fact, I'm willing to bet that if they'd added this feature and gated it behind iCloud Photos being enabled, we'd have different articles complaining about Apple making a cash grab by trying to get people to pay for premium storage. :P

lapcat 2y ago
> It's probably a pretty large set of people, perhaps even the majority As the article notes, this new feature is so "popular" that neither Apple nor the Apple media have bothered to mention it. AFAICT it's not even in Apple's document listing all the new features of iOS 18: https://www.apple.com/ios/ios-18/pdf/iOS_18_All_New_Features_Sept_2024.pdf https://www.apple.com/ios/ios-18/pdf/iOS_18_All_New_Features...
- kemayo 2y ago
  True, but I don't see how that relates to anything? You asked for a hypothetical set of people who'd have iCloud Photos disabled but would accept metadata being sent to Apple for better search. I can't help you if you want to move the goalposts after I give you that.
  - lapcat 2y ago
    > You asked for a hypothetical set of people who'd have iCloud Photos disabled but would accept metadata being sent to Apple for better search. No, I didn't ask for a hypothetical set. I wanted the actual set of people.
    - kemayo 2y ago
      Well, neither of us have any way of surveying the public about that, do we? My claim that those people would be okay with it has as much weight as yours that they wouldn't. I can try to turn down my natural inclination towards cautious phrasing, if you'd like? Get us on the same level. :D
abctx 2y ago
> It's probably a pretty large set of people, perhaps even the majority, since I'd suspect that most people don't pay for additional iCloud storage and can't fit their photo library into 5GB. Large set? Yes. Majority? No. CIRP says 2/3 of US Apple users pay for iCloud storage[0]. It's this popular for the exact reason you mentioned. Almost no one can fit their photo library into 5GB so they opt in to the cheap 50GB for $0.99/month. 50GB is enough for a lot of people. [0] https://wccftech.com/paid-icloud-subscription-is-apples-most-popular-service https://wccftech.com/paid-icloud-subscription-is-apples-most...
- kemayo 2y ago
  Huh, I'm honestly kind of surprised. Good to learn something! Well, I'll take back what I said about the majority. I do still think that the remaining 1/3 of users who don't have enough storage to turn on iCloud Photos qualify as what lapcat was asking for, though.
- sam_goody 2y ago
  Time Machine does not backup your desktop and other spots that might be essential in case of needing a backup. iCloud does. I know users who would prefer not to trust Apple for anything, and only pay for and use iCloud to backup the Desktop [and similar locations]. If they were to hear that their opt-in for iCloud means that Apple starts copying random things, they would not be happy. [OT, I use Arq. But admit that iCloud is simpler, and it is not apples to apples.] IMO, the fact that Apple backs up your keychain to the Mothership; and that this is a "default" behavior that will re-enable itself when shut off, reflects an attitude that makes me very distrustful of Apple.

by kemayo 2y ago

lapcat 2y ago

> It's probably a pretty large set of people, perhaps even the majority As the article notes, this new feature is so "popular" that neither Apple nor the Apple media have bothered to mention it. AFAICT it's not even in Apple's document listing all the new features of iOS 18: https://www.apple.com/ios/ios-18/pdf/iOS_18_All_New_Features_Sept_2024.pdf https://www.apple.com/ios/ios-18/pdf/iOS_18_All_New_Features...

kemayo 2y ago
True, but I don't see how that relates to anything? You asked for a hypothetical set of people who'd have iCloud Photos disabled but would accept metadata being sent to Apple for better search. I can't help you if you want to move the goalposts after I give you that.
- lapcat 2y ago
  > You asked for a hypothetical set of people who'd have iCloud Photos disabled but would accept metadata being sent to Apple for better search. No, I didn't ask for a hypothetical set. I wanted the actual set of people.
  - kemayo 2y ago
    Well, neither of us have any way of surveying the public about that, do we? My claim that those people would be okay with it has as much weight as yours that they wouldn't. I can try to turn down my natural inclination towards cautious phrasing, if you'd like? Get us on the same level. :D

abctx 2y ago

> It's probably a pretty large set of people, perhaps even the majority, since I'd suspect that most people don't pay for additional iCloud storage and can't fit their photo library into 5GB. Large set? Yes. Majority? No. CIRP says 2/3 of US Apple users pay for iCloud storage[0]. It's this popular for the exact reason you mentioned. Almost no one can fit their photo library into 5GB so they opt in to the cheap 50GB for $0.99/month. 50GB is enough for a lot of people. [0] https://wccftech.com/paid-icloud-subscription-is-apples-most-popular-service https://wccftech.com/paid-icloud-subscription-is-apples-most...

kemayo 2y ago
Huh, I'm honestly kind of surprised. Good to learn something! Well, I'll take back what I said about the majority. I do still think that the remaining 1/3 of users who don't have enough storage to turn on iCloud Photos qualify as what lapcat was asking for, though.
sam_goody 2y ago
Time Machine does not backup your desktop and other spots that might be essential in case of needing a backup. iCloud does. I know users who would prefer not to trust Apple for anything, and only pay for and use iCloud to backup the Desktop [and similar locations]. If they were to hear that their opt-in for iCloud means that Apple starts copying random things, they would not be happy. [OT, I use Arq. But admit that iCloud is simpler, and it is not apples to apples.] IMO, the fact that Apple backs up your keychain to the Mothership; and that this is a "default" behavior that will re-enable itself when shut off, reflects an attitude that makes me very distrustful of Apple.