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While I doubt OpenAI is responsible for wrongdoing. OpenAI's strategic importance to AI development warrants an FBI investigation as a standard procedure. The

While I doubt OpenAI is responsible for wrongdoing. OpenAI's strategic importance to AI development warrants an FBI investigation as a standard procedure. The whistleblower may have been approached by foreign governments seeking classified information, but declined to share it. There are many potential scenarios to consider, beyond the obvious.

Der_Einzige 2y ago
Everyone doing anything interesting in AI research should assume that they are targets of this kind of thing.
- hulitu 2y ago
  > Everyone doing anything interesting in AI research They were just using copyrighted material for training. I'm surprised that, OpenAI being a Microsoft child, BSA kept quiet.
  - Der_Einzige 2y ago
    I do not understand why SKIF's aren't being used in any kind of "lawsuit" around LLM training data. We know that there are random undetected "landmines" buried in LLM training data. All the evidence I need is that stupid discord airforce officer doing 20 years in jail for leaking classified docs or the many stories of War-Thunder forums having classified info get leaked just so nerds can win an argument online. I'm old man (or rather, langley's favorite useful idiot) yelling at cloud about this.
jongjong 2y ago
Yes, this is a plausible scenario. High-exposure tech industries tend to attract all sorts of government entities from across the world. I worked on a high exposure crypto project and witnessed everything from coercion to sabotage. You just notice people acting in weird ways and it's not clear what their agenda is.f
- tapcheck 2y ago
  > High-exposure tech industries tend to attract all sorts of government entities from across the world. Yeah this is correct. I’ve experienced the same thing working with crypto folks.
v3ss0n 2y ago
Yes, when I am was a system engineer in NTT DOCOMO, we have seen cases of such attempt by foreign nations. It was more common than what you think.
- tapcheck 2y ago
  It might not have been a foreign nation (?).
  - v3ss0n 2y ago
    Both, we had seen competitors infiltration, spying attempt from foreign agents. Back in 2008 Lead System Administrator of NTT Verios got contacted by Chinese agents and they tried to bribe him to inject html pages of some websites with browser zero day exploit. He played along and then exposed that on board meeting. That got alerted to authority and one board member who have deep roots with Chinese government booted out. Japanese people place honor above money in many cases and hard to corrupt. It won't be same in many other places.
etse 2y ago
Very wealthy people have access to very exclusive and potentially unethical and/or illegal capabilities. Many do not think they are bound to the same rules as the rest of society. Some are probably not. OpenAI the company may not be responsible, but there are elites in the OpenAI sphere who might be.

Der_Einzige 2y ago

Everyone doing anything interesting in AI research should assume that they are targets of this kind of thing.

hulitu 2y ago
> Everyone doing anything interesting in AI research They were just using copyrighted material for training. I'm surprised that, OpenAI being a Microsoft child, BSA kept quiet.
- Der_Einzige 2y ago
  I do not understand why SKIF's aren't being used in any kind of "lawsuit" around LLM training data. We know that there are random undetected "landmines" buried in LLM training data. All the evidence I need is that stupid discord airforce officer doing 20 years in jail for leaking classified docs or the many stories of War-Thunder forums having classified info get leaked just so nerds can win an argument online. I'm old man (or rather, langley's favorite useful idiot) yelling at cloud about this.

jongjong 2y ago

Yes, this is a plausible scenario. High-exposure tech industries tend to attract all sorts of government entities from across the world. I worked on a high exposure crypto project and witnessed everything from coercion to sabotage. You just notice people acting in weird ways and it's not clear what their agenda is.f

tapcheck 2y ago
> High-exposure tech industries tend to attract all sorts of government entities from across the world. Yeah this is correct. I’ve experienced the same thing working with crypto folks.

v3ss0n 2y ago

Yes, when I am was a system engineer in NTT DOCOMO, we have seen cases of such attempt by foreign nations. It was more common than what you think.

tapcheck 2y ago
It might not have been a foreign nation (?).
- v3ss0n 2y ago
  Both, we had seen competitors infiltration, spying attempt from foreign agents. Back in 2008 Lead System Administrator of NTT Verios got contacted by Chinese agents and they tried to bribe him to inject html pages of some websites with browser zero day exploit. He played along and then exposed that on board meeting. That got alerted to authority and one board member who have deep roots with Chinese government booted out. Japanese people place honor above money in many cases and hard to corrupt. It won't be same in many other places.

etse 2y ago

Very wealthy people have access to very exclusive and potentially unethical and/or illegal capabilities. Many do not think they are bound to the same rules as the rest of society. Some are probably not. OpenAI the company may not be responsible, but there are elites in the OpenAI sphere who might be.