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You’re missing a thing called regulatory capture. 1) no one will invest in new charging technology because it’s an uphill battle to be approved 2) entrenched

You’re missing a thing called regulatory capture. 1) no one will invest in new charging technology because it’s an uphill battle to be approved 2) entrenched charger organizations with political connections will resist change. Their existence depends on it. You will only see change as they use regulations to starve upstarts and acquire their tech Pennie’s on the dollar. But the good news is Europe invents almost nothing today so they can just have a friendly debate on which American or Asian tech to standardize on.

mrtksn 2y ago
What Europe does is to educate talent, then that talent goes to America and works hard. Then their inventions come to Europe to get standardized. Meanwhile, Europe is making good money by investing in America, without the mess of being an experimental zone. Notice how there are barely any names like John or Henry on those research papers or patents. It’s even a hot topic lately, acknowledged by the tech titans. As they say, Americans don’t do much and even if the legal entity is in the US, the capital and the talent is actually from Europe, China and India. Unfortunately, it appears that with the rise of Maga Europe will eventually have to provide its talent a place to experiment things but the techies are fighting hard to prevent that.
- wqaatwt 2y ago
  > Europe is making good money by investing in America Except it’s not. The gap had been continuously growing for the last 10-20 years. Europeans are just getting (relatively) poorer and poorer.
- nemo44x 2y ago
  Europe doesn’t matter. At all. It’s a dying and increasingly irrelevant place. Sorry but true.
  - mrtksn 2y ago
    Look who was consuming propaganda on Twitter all day :)
    - nemo44x 2y ago
      Europe had 0 growth 2 years in a row and is in the middle of a second lost decade. Couple that with the replacement rate. Demographics are destiny. It’s over sadly. Had a good run.
- frikskit 2y ago
  This is a pretty obvious and desperate attempt to comfort yourself. Take the intellectually honest road and question why Europe (I’m European myself) has gotten itself into this sorry state and then try to do something about it. In what way is Europe not in the mess of the experiment that is AI? It seems to me that it has all the exact same problems, without any of the benefits (the jobs, experience and money) that comes with it. What you are claiming is as dumb as saying that Europe fixed climate change by blocking drilling in Europe and buying oil and gas from the Saudis instead.
  - mrtksn 2y ago
    It's just a swing into a recent hot topic and talking points around it, don't read too much into it. Everybody knows that US and EU are both way behind Asia and this EU is lagging behind USA due to regulations is just a meme, not more relevant than if Poutine is healthier than french fries.
    - frikskit 2y ago
      Ok I won’t read too much into it. That said, I think every responsible European and especially parent has a duty to take problems seriously.
      - mrtksn 2y ago
        The problem is misrepresented in online discussion. For example, typical argument is that EU doesn't have TOP10 companies by market cap and US has half of it but when you think about it market cap doesn't mean much and even if it did it would have ment capital concentration which is not a good thing by European culture. We don't want to have some ultra rich giant companies when everyone else tries to survive by the scraps, we actively try to redistribute wealth and are proud of our better gini coefficient. Europe is so not into this stuff that the "startup guys" of Europe on social media who are raving for accelerationism are just small businesses with a revenue of a restaurant on a high street but they think that they are early stages of Musk or Bezos. They just don't get it. IMHO just look at the stuff you care about and forget using proxies like GDP or market value etc. For example, US has the largest companies by market cap but they are excited to have Taiwan opening a plant in USA that will produce chips on a few years old tech when Taiwan and Korea have the cutting edge stuff. Examples are numerous, it goes above and beyond everything. China is not behind US in AI, in fact in some areas US is already trying to catch up. Tesla has enormous market cap but Chinese brands already displaced them in actual product sales. Americans think that self driving cars will be ready to go mainstream soon when China already has those disrupting their taxi sector. Apple is about to become $4T company but Chinese and Koreans have all the cutting edge tech and Apple is faltering. In military front USA boosts about how much money they spend on military only to find out that they are just paying more than they should and can't match Russia on ammunition.

mrtksn 2y ago

What Europe does is to educate talent, then that talent goes to America and works hard. Then their inventions come to Europe to get standardized. Meanwhile, Europe is making good money by investing in America, without the mess of being an experimental zone. Notice how there are barely any names like John or Henry on those research papers or patents. It’s even a hot topic lately, acknowledged by the tech titans. As they say, Americans don’t do much and even if the legal entity is in the US, the capital and the talent is actually from Europe, China and India. Unfortunately, it appears that with the rise of Maga Europe will eventually have to provide its talent a place to experiment things but the techies are fighting hard to prevent that.

wqaatwt 2y ago
> Europe is making good money by investing in America Except it’s not. The gap had been continuously growing for the last 10-20 years. Europeans are just getting (relatively) poorer and poorer.
nemo44x 2y ago
Europe doesn’t matter. At all. It’s a dying and increasingly irrelevant place. Sorry but true.
- mrtksn 2y ago
  Look who was consuming propaganda on Twitter all day :)
  - nemo44x 2y ago
    Europe had 0 growth 2 years in a row and is in the middle of a second lost decade. Couple that with the replacement rate. Demographics are destiny. It’s over sadly. Had a good run.
frikskit 2y ago
This is a pretty obvious and desperate attempt to comfort yourself. Take the intellectually honest road and question why Europe (I’m European myself) has gotten itself into this sorry state and then try to do something about it. In what way is Europe not in the mess of the experiment that is AI? It seems to me that it has all the exact same problems, without any of the benefits (the jobs, experience and money) that comes with it. What you are claiming is as dumb as saying that Europe fixed climate change by blocking drilling in Europe and buying oil and gas from the Saudis instead.
- mrtksn 2y ago
  It's just a swing into a recent hot topic and talking points around it, don't read too much into it. Everybody knows that US and EU are both way behind Asia and this EU is lagging behind USA due to regulations is just a meme, not more relevant than if Poutine is healthier than french fries.
  - frikskit 2y ago
    Ok I won’t read too much into it. That said, I think every responsible European and especially parent has a duty to take problems seriously.
    - mrtksn 2y ago
      The problem is misrepresented in online discussion. For example, typical argument is that EU doesn't have TOP10 companies by market cap and US has half of it but when you think about it market cap doesn't mean much and even if it did it would have ment capital concentration which is not a good thing by European culture. We don't want to have some ultra rich giant companies when everyone else tries to survive by the scraps, we actively try to redistribute wealth and are proud of our better gini coefficient. Europe is so not into this stuff that the "startup guys" of Europe on social media who are raving for accelerationism are just small businesses with a revenue of a restaurant on a high street but they think that they are early stages of Musk or Bezos. They just don't get it. IMHO just look at the stuff you care about and forget using proxies like GDP or market value etc. For example, US has the largest companies by market cap but they are excited to have Taiwan opening a plant in USA that will produce chips on a few years old tech when Taiwan and Korea have the cutting edge stuff. Examples are numerous, it goes above and beyond everything. China is not behind US in AI, in fact in some areas US is already trying to catch up. Tesla has enormous market cap but Chinese brands already displaced them in actual product sales. Americans think that self driving cars will be ready to go mainstream soon when China already has those disrupting their taxi sector. Apple is about to become $4T company but Chinese and Koreans have all the cutting edge tech and Apple is faltering. In military front USA boosts about how much money they spend on military only to find out that they are just paying more than they should and can't match Russia on ammunition.