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I’m not sure it matters; I hope market economy should do the rest. I believe it’s slightly cheaper to manufacture a device with a single USB-C port which suppor

I’m not sure it matters; I hope market economy should do the rest. I believe it’s slightly cheaper to manufacture a device with a single USB-C port which supports PD, compared to a device with two ports, one 5W USB-C and some other port for faster charging. A reason to not demand USB-PD, such law would prevent upgrades to later better version of that thing.

orra 2y ago
> A reason to not demand USB-PD, such law would prevent upgrades to later better version of that thing. Can we apply some common sense please? You're right that not allowing revised standards would be silly. So, they simply update the law to reference newer versions of the standard. https://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/reg_del/2023/1717/oj https://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/reg_del/2023/1717/oj
- cortesoft 2y ago
  How is a better standard going to be developed, though? Manufacturers aren't going to innovate, since they aren't allowed to sell anything besides USB-C.... so who is going to do the research and development for better designs, and how are we going to compare different possible improvements if manufacturers aren't allowed to try out anything new?
  - rocqua 2y ago
    Stabdards development is very much done to push regulators to adapt new things. The incentive is either to be able to develop new products that give a reason to upgrade, or royalties from the standard, or patent license money.
  - robin_reala 2y ago
    They are allowed to try out new stuff as long as the baseline is also met. Hence no problem for Apple with MagSafe for example, because their laptops also have USB-C charging.
sofixa 2y ago
> I hope market economy should do the rest Like it resulted in standardising on USB C? Oh wait, the EU had to force everyone. > A reason to not demand USB-PD, such law would prevent upgrades to later better version of that thing The EU has got you covered, there are provisions on updating the mandated standard.

orra 2y ago

> A reason to not demand USB-PD, such law would prevent upgrades to later better version of that thing. Can we apply some common sense please? You're right that not allowing revised standards would be silly. So, they simply update the law to reference newer versions of the standard. https://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/reg_del/2023/1717/oj https://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/reg_del/2023/1717/oj

cortesoft 2y ago
How is a better standard going to be developed, though? Manufacturers aren't going to innovate, since they aren't allowed to sell anything besides USB-C.... so who is going to do the research and development for better designs, and how are we going to compare different possible improvements if manufacturers aren't allowed to try out anything new?
- rocqua 2y ago
  Stabdards development is very much done to push regulators to adapt new things. The incentive is either to be able to develop new products that give a reason to upgrade, or royalties from the standard, or patent license money.
- robin_reala 2y ago
  They are allowed to try out new stuff as long as the baseline is also met. Hence no problem for Apple with MagSafe for example, because their laptops also have USB-C charging.

sofixa 2y ago

> I hope market economy should do the rest Like it resulted in standardising on USB C? Oh wait, the EU had to force everyone. > A reason to not demand USB-PD, such law would prevent upgrades to later better version of that thing The EU has got you covered, there are provisions on updating the mandated standard.