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> Like the RTX2000 which landed on a comet kind of useless? Yeah, in 1983 he designed a chip that was further developed by others for space usage. > Maybe the

> Like the RTX2000 which landed on a comet kind of useless? Yeah, in 1983 he designed a chip that was further developed by others for space usage. > Maybe the controlling radio telescopes kind of useless. Yeah, which he did in 1970. Note a pattern here? That this design paradigm holds up pretty well in a primitive computing world when things are simple and demands are low, and is thoroughly useless to keep on promoting today?

astrobe_ 2y ago
> Yeah, which he did in 1970. Yes, and Forth has been maintaining somehow its ties with aerospace for over 50 years: https://www.forth.com/resources/forth-apps https://www.forth.com/resources/forth-apps > That this design paradigm holds up pretty well in a primitive computing world when things are simple and demands are low, and is thoroughly useless to keep on promoting today? Apparently some people are still interested in it: https://www.mpeforth.com/news-gossip-and-rumour/ https://www.mpeforth.com/news-gossip-and-rumour/ Did you know that desktops, servers and smartphones together is a tiny fraction of the total number of processors running in the world?
- Sesse__ 2y ago
  > Yes, and Forth has been maintaining somehow its ties with aerospace for over 50 years: https://www.forth.com/resources/forth-apps https://www.forth.com/resources/forth-apps Somehow all of those projects are… really old? A satellite control UI on top of Windows 7 from 2015 (somehow Chuck Moore's assertion that “If they are starting from the OS they have made the first mistake” did not extend to Windows here). A STM-16 (2 Mbit/sec!) multiplexer, very modern. A power plant control system from 1995. And yes, an aerospace project indeed, also from 1995. Notably none of these are using his CAD software, much less using any of his chips. > Apparently some people are still interested in it: https://www.mpeforth.com/news-gossip-and-rumour/ https://www.mpeforth.com/news-gossip-and-rumour/ I'm sure they are? There are people interested in all sorts of things. (Well, at least some of them were in 2022, which is the last time someone bothered to add a news post.) That doesn't mean it is a useful design paradigm for the world at large. Remember, Chuck Moore's claim is that not following his ways means 10x the bugs, cost, etc. -- I don't really see anything supporting that claim.
samatman 2y ago
What have you accomplished that is noteworthy or useful? We could use a point of comparison here.

astrobe_ 2y ago

> Yeah, which he did in 1970. Yes, and Forth has been maintaining somehow its ties with aerospace for over 50 years: https://www.forth.com/resources/forth-apps https://www.forth.com/resources/forth-apps > That this design paradigm holds up pretty well in a primitive computing world when things are simple and demands are low, and is thoroughly useless to keep on promoting today? Apparently some people are still interested in it: https://www.mpeforth.com/news-gossip-and-rumour/ https://www.mpeforth.com/news-gossip-and-rumour/ Did you know that desktops, servers and smartphones together is a tiny fraction of the total number of processors running in the world?

Sesse__ 2y ago
> Yes, and Forth has been maintaining somehow its ties with aerospace for over 50 years: https://www.forth.com/resources/forth-apps https://www.forth.com/resources/forth-apps Somehow all of those projects are… really old? A satellite control UI on top of Windows 7 from 2015 (somehow Chuck Moore's assertion that “If they are starting from the OS they have made the first mistake” did not extend to Windows here). A STM-16 (2 Mbit/sec!) multiplexer, very modern. A power plant control system from 1995. And yes, an aerospace project indeed, also from 1995. Notably none of these are using his CAD software, much less using any of his chips. > Apparently some people are still interested in it: https://www.mpeforth.com/news-gossip-and-rumour/ https://www.mpeforth.com/news-gossip-and-rumour/ I'm sure they are? There are people interested in all sorts of things. (Well, at least some of them were in 2022, which is the last time someone bothered to add a news post.) That doesn't mean it is a useful design paradigm for the world at large. Remember, Chuck Moore's claim is that not following his ways means 10x the bugs, cost, etc. -- I don't really see anything supporting that claim.

samatman 2y ago

What have you accomplished that is noteworthy or useful? We could use a point of comparison here.