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i saw a tiktok where the guy had his phone propped up but not in view of his webcam, and basically the interviewer's mic was going through his phone on some llm

by swang 2y ago

i saw a tiktok where the guy had his phone propped up but not in view of his webcam, and basically the interviewer's mic was going through his phone on some llm and the llm was spitting out responses for him to reply to the soft questions his interviewer was asking. the interviewer also made him "quickly" turn on his screen sharing so he could see that his computer didn't have anything assisting him. i haven't done an interview in a while, it's kinda crazy all the things people are pulling now for interviews on both sides. the process feels really broken.

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jakewins 2y ago
But like.. what happens after this supposed trick? I don’t understand how they wouldn’t just be fired after the first week if they can’t actually do the job? Is it that they are applying to places where you don’t pair program?
- ponector 2y ago
  In most cases in corporations you are not interviewed by people you will be working with. Interview stage is a generic assessment by random people. Yo simply need to pass them. Also they are usually asking questions not related to the real job.
- 1231232131231 2y ago
  You're making the (large) assumption that the interviews are actually relevant to the position.
- neilv 2y ago
  The reality is that most developers are bad at their jobs. Also, there's the "fake it till you make it" thinking.
- Mawr 2y ago
  That's assuming the interview process tests for job performance with any sort of accuracy.
- wryoak 2y ago
  In my ten years I’ve never worked at a place where pairing was the norm. I would love to experience that kind of culture
  - rr808 2y ago
    Agreed, I've worked in a dozen firms now in many different teams and never seen anyone pairing.
- Chirael 2y ago
  If it’s remote, sometimes they’ll pay someone else to do the work and pocket the difference. And/or the job may just be a ruse to get credentials in the org because it’s an espionage target or to use as a launch point to go after an espionage target.
- edmundsauto 2y ago
  Most places have such chaotic onboarding that it would take a few months to truly get signal that the employee knew nothing.
- paxys 2y ago
  Get hired. Go through onboarding. Collect your hiring bonus. Get a few weeks for your first project and fail at it. It gets written off as "they're just new here". Use some "unlimited" vacation time. Get more projects and keep failing at them. Get put on a new team because the eng director wants to give you another chance, and repeat the whole process. Eventually get put on a PIP. Show no improvement at the end of it. Accept a severance in exchange for "resigning" and signing an NDA/liability waiver. At a large company it is possible for this entire process to draw out for 3-6 months, and you collecting >$100K in in that period.
  - the_snooze 2y ago
    Signing bonuses almost always have clawback provisions, and I've never heard of someone getting severance from being fired for cause (performance). The only way I can see your scenario playing out is if the employee has some kind of real leverage over the company (e.g., family connections, political backing, etc.).
    - paxys 2y ago
      > Signing bonuses almost always have clawback provisions Written on a piece of paper, yes, but no company is actually going to sue you in court to recover it. It will cost them more than the value of the bonus to do so. And they know you have already spent the money. > I've never heard of someone getting severance from being fired for cause (performance) At large tech companies it is standard for people going through the PIP process to get the option of taking a severance and walking away (and waiving their right to sue the company) instead of waiting for their manager and HR to draw up the paperwork to fire them.
etimberg 2y ago
Generally that's why the soft skills questions generally want a response in a STAR (situation, task, action, result) format. It's a lot harder to lie about a story and keep yourself consistent through a back and forth.

by swang 2y ago

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jakewins 2y ago

But like.. what happens after this supposed trick? I don’t understand how they wouldn’t just be fired after the first week if they can’t actually do the job? Is it that they are applying to places where you don’t pair program?

ponector 2y ago
In most cases in corporations you are not interviewed by people you will be working with. Interview stage is a generic assessment by random people. Yo simply need to pass them. Also they are usually asking questions not related to the real job.
1231232131231 2y ago
You're making the (large) assumption that the interviews are actually relevant to the position.
neilv 2y ago
The reality is that most developers are bad at their jobs. Also, there's the "fake it till you make it" thinking.
Mawr 2y ago
That's assuming the interview process tests for job performance with any sort of accuracy.
wryoak 2y ago
In my ten years I’ve never worked at a place where pairing was the norm. I would love to experience that kind of culture
- rr808 2y ago
  Agreed, I've worked in a dozen firms now in many different teams and never seen anyone pairing.
Chirael 2y ago
If it’s remote, sometimes they’ll pay someone else to do the work and pocket the difference. And/or the job may just be a ruse to get credentials in the org because it’s an espionage target or to use as a launch point to go after an espionage target.
edmundsauto 2y ago
Most places have such chaotic onboarding that it would take a few months to truly get signal that the employee knew nothing.
paxys 2y ago
Get hired. Go through onboarding. Collect your hiring bonus. Get a few weeks for your first project and fail at it. It gets written off as "they're just new here". Use some "unlimited" vacation time. Get more projects and keep failing at them. Get put on a new team because the eng director wants to give you another chance, and repeat the whole process. Eventually get put on a PIP. Show no improvement at the end of it. Accept a severance in exchange for "resigning" and signing an NDA/liability waiver. At a large company it is possible for this entire process to draw out for 3-6 months, and you collecting >$100K in in that period.
- the_snooze 2y ago
  Signing bonuses almost always have clawback provisions, and I've never heard of someone getting severance from being fired for cause (performance). The only way I can see your scenario playing out is if the employee has some kind of real leverage over the company (e.g., family connections, political backing, etc.).
  - paxys 2y ago
    > Signing bonuses almost always have clawback provisions Written on a piece of paper, yes, but no company is actually going to sue you in court to recover it. It will cost them more than the value of the bonus to do so. And they know you have already spent the money. > I've never heard of someone getting severance from being fired for cause (performance) At large tech companies it is standard for people going through the PIP process to get the option of taking a severance and walking away (and waiving their right to sue the company) instead of waiting for their manager and HR to draw up the paperwork to fire them.

etimberg 2y ago

Generally that's why the soft skills questions generally want a response in a STAR (situation, task, action, result) format. It's a lot harder to lie about a story and keep yourself consistent through a back and forth.