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> Social Security and Medicare are unpopular to cut, but its easily done, and a necessity to make significant cuts. I think the electorate has given a mandate t

> Social Security and Medicare are unpopular to cut, but its easily done, and a necessity to make significant cuts. I think the electorate has given a mandate to the govt to do this, do I expect they'll do it. (Trump campaigned on this, so its pretty much what people clearly want.) Can you please point me to Trump campaigning on this? I heard him say the exact opposite repeatedly in his speeches at his rallies.

bruce511 2y ago
Trump lies all the time. So what he says and what he campaigns on are different things. He says he is pro-women (but acts the opposite) pro-US (but sources all his grift from China), says he wants to bring down prices (but plans on tarifs to raise them). He claims no affiliation to Project 25 (but then hires all those planners into key positions), claims to be pro-worker, but eliminates labor protections and gives tax cuts only to rich people. The American public are smart. They are not easily duped. They understand that when he says Social Security and Medicare are bring left alone, he intends to cut them. They understand that campaigning on fiscal responsibility means widening the deficit. They understand that improving health care means taking it away and giving health care companies more profit. This is the future he campaigned on - this is the future they voted for. This is no a politician changing between campaign and office. His intentions, interests, and affiliations - his transactional nature - are front and center and have been all along. This is the man the people have decided will best lead them. This is democracy in action.
- wakawaka28 2y ago
  All politicians lie. >The American public are smart. They are not easily duped. They understand that when he says Social Security and Medicare are bring left alone, he intends to cut them. That's ridiculous. Your central premise seems to be that because Trump has lied before, we live in opposite land. Not only that but that the American public is 100% behind the opposite of what they were promised, which is also very bad for them and their families personally. Your rationale makes absolutely no sense.
  - bruce511 2y ago
    Yes all politicians lie. But Trump doesn't lie like that, he lies about everything all the time. He lies about things that are obviously untrue, right there in front of you. He's not a "liar" in the way most people are. He's a liar in the sense that you are in on the lie, that you understand the lie is a lie. This is not "some of the act" - its his whole shtick. Yes, I think most of what he does will be very bad for most of the people who voted for him. Yes I think they voted for the exact opposite of what is good for them. But this is a guy with a 4 year term already behind him. This is a guy running to stay out of jail. This is the guy people voted for. More than in 2016, more than in 2020. More across all demographics. More in 90% of counties . The voter understands the pain that is coming, and embraces it as necessary for the coming greatness. The willingness to put their own suffering aside, to willingly endure the oncoming hardships, to vote against their personal best interest is admirable. At least I assume this is what happened.
    - wakawaka28 2y ago
      >But Trump doesn't lie like that, he lies about everything all the time. He lies about things that are obviously untrue, right there in front of you. Again you describe what most politicians do. Trump's lying is not quantitatively nor qualitatively more severe than any other politician at that level, certainly not more than Biden or Kamala. >He's not a "liar" in the way most people are. He's a liar in the sense that you are in on the lie, that you understand the lie is a lie. I don't buy this. >But this is a guy with a 4 year term already behind him. This is a guy running to stay out of jail. This is the guy people voted for. More than in 2016, more than in 2020. More across all demographics. More in 90% of counties . Need I remind you that Biden pardoned his son for a huge period of time and undisclosed crimes which he himself might be an accomplice? >The voter understands the pain that is coming, and embraces it as necessary for the coming greatness. The willingness to put their own suffering aside, to willingly endure the oncoming hardships, to vote against their personal best interest is admirable. I don't think this is what happened. Although the Trump campaign did make vague references to temporary pain, it explicitly denied that any benefits would be cut or taxes increased (except for the tariffs). People are suffering because of high inflation and a stagnant economy. They see hundreds of billions of dollars go abroad as we struggle to cover expenses at home. They are not down for more taxes, reduced benefits, or any such thing. You're bending over backward to say that voters want the exact opposite of what they were promised, and that's ridiculous. I don't know how many people think our Western lifestyles are sustainable. One thing is for sure though. If you're a politician and you admit defeat, and say we can't possibly have the lifestyles we've had for many decades without some kind of awful intervention like a massive war, high taxes, or cuts to essential services, you're guaranteeing your own loss. People want to believe there is a way, and they're not ready to give up their way of life yet just because some politician says they aren't being reasonable or they don't deserve it.
- devops99 2y ago
  > Trump lies all the time. Of course the politician does this, but if you think this somehow granted you carte blanche to write out of your ass you are a special kind of delusional.

bruce511 2y ago

Trump lies all the time. So what he says and what he campaigns on are different things. He says he is pro-women (but acts the opposite) pro-US (but sources all his grift from China), says he wants to bring down prices (but plans on tarifs to raise them). He claims no affiliation to Project 25 (but then hires all those planners into key positions), claims to be pro-worker, but eliminates labor protections and gives tax cuts only to rich people. The American public are smart. They are not easily duped. They understand that when he says Social Security and Medicare are bring left alone, he intends to cut them. They understand that campaigning on fiscal responsibility means widening the deficit. They understand that improving health care means taking it away and giving health care companies more profit. This is the future he campaigned on - this is the future they voted for. This is no a politician changing between campaign and office. His intentions, interests, and affiliations - his transactional nature - are front and center and have been all along. This is the man the people have decided will best lead them. This is democracy in action.

wakawaka28 2y ago
All politicians lie. >The American public are smart. They are not easily duped. They understand that when he says Social Security and Medicare are bring left alone, he intends to cut them. That's ridiculous. Your central premise seems to be that because Trump has lied before, we live in opposite land. Not only that but that the American public is 100% behind the opposite of what they were promised, which is also very bad for them and their families personally. Your rationale makes absolutely no sense.
- bruce511 2y ago
  Yes all politicians lie. But Trump doesn't lie like that, he lies about everything all the time. He lies about things that are obviously untrue, right there in front of you. He's not a "liar" in the way most people are. He's a liar in the sense that you are in on the lie, that you understand the lie is a lie. This is not "some of the act" - its his whole shtick. Yes, I think most of what he does will be very bad for most of the people who voted for him. Yes I think they voted for the exact opposite of what is good for them. But this is a guy with a 4 year term already behind him. This is a guy running to stay out of jail. This is the guy people voted for. More than in 2016, more than in 2020. More across all demographics. More in 90% of counties . The voter understands the pain that is coming, and embraces it as necessary for the coming greatness. The willingness to put their own suffering aside, to willingly endure the oncoming hardships, to vote against their personal best interest is admirable. At least I assume this is what happened.
  - wakawaka28 2y ago
    >But Trump doesn't lie like that, he lies about everything all the time. He lies about things that are obviously untrue, right there in front of you. Again you describe what most politicians do. Trump's lying is not quantitatively nor qualitatively more severe than any other politician at that level, certainly not more than Biden or Kamala. >He's not a "liar" in the way most people are. He's a liar in the sense that you are in on the lie, that you understand the lie is a lie. I don't buy this. >But this is a guy with a 4 year term already behind him. This is a guy running to stay out of jail. This is the guy people voted for. More than in 2016, more than in 2020. More across all demographics. More in 90% of counties . Need I remind you that Biden pardoned his son for a huge period of time and undisclosed crimes which he himself might be an accomplice? >The voter understands the pain that is coming, and embraces it as necessary for the coming greatness. The willingness to put their own suffering aside, to willingly endure the oncoming hardships, to vote against their personal best interest is admirable. I don't think this is what happened. Although the Trump campaign did make vague references to temporary pain, it explicitly denied that any benefits would be cut or taxes increased (except for the tariffs). People are suffering because of high inflation and a stagnant economy. They see hundreds of billions of dollars go abroad as we struggle to cover expenses at home. They are not down for more taxes, reduced benefits, or any such thing. You're bending over backward to say that voters want the exact opposite of what they were promised, and that's ridiculous. I don't know how many people think our Western lifestyles are sustainable. One thing is for sure though. If you're a politician and you admit defeat, and say we can't possibly have the lifestyles we've had for many decades without some kind of awful intervention like a massive war, high taxes, or cuts to essential services, you're guaranteeing your own loss. People want to believe there is a way, and they're not ready to give up their way of life yet just because some politician says they aren't being reasonable or they don't deserve it.
devops99 2y ago
> Trump lies all the time. Of course the politician does this, but if you think this somehow granted you carte blanche to write out of your ass you are a special kind of delusional.