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At this point, Mac Mini M4's are cheap enough and capable enough to just purchase two: one for off-line use, another on-. Perhaps this is marketing genius (fro

At this point, Mac Mini M4's are cheap enough and capable enough to just purchase two: one for off-line use, another on-. Perhaps this is marketing genius (from an AAPL-shareholder POV)? ---- I'm laughing at the insanity of all this interconnectivity, but an NDA prevents me from typing the greatest source of my ironic chuckles. Described in an obtuse way: a privacy-focused hardware product ships with an undisclosed phone-home feature, letting the feds see every time you use the product (to produce a controversial product, at home). Kick in my fucking door / sue me: it'll just re-enforce that I'm correct about concessionary-allowances...

doctorpangloss 2y ago
Can you be more clear?
- ProllyInfamous 2y ago
  Computer are inexpensive enough to own both on- & off-line hardware. ---- Even privacy-focused hardware manufacturers will allow undisclosed usage tracking (in order to continue existing, themselves). In my example, the OEM delivers a physical product which allows users to make tangible objects, at home. Every time you launch the hardware's control software (to make more controversial objects), it phones home.
threeseed 2y ago
> letting the feds see every time you use the product This does not happen.
- Lammy 2y ago
  Wrong. Anything that makes any network request is by definition a privacy leak. The network itself is always listening, and the act of making any connection says that you are using the computer, and where, and when.
  - threeseed 2y ago
    And so in this context. You are saying that every network request is going to a target controlled by the US government.
    - ProllyInfamous 2y ago
      Yes, this is what I'm saying. Particularly among "controversial" product manufacturers. ---- Entirely unrelated: I recently visited my favorite hometown (Austin) museum, UT's Harry Ransom Center. Their P.E.N. exhibit has an exposé on how various mid-20th Century authors were in fact funded by The Ford Foundation (a known CIA "investment vehicle"), including Aldous Huxley (author of Brave New World). One of the exhibits features multiple author signatories adamently denying this CIA-funding, over the 1950's decade... ultimately this conspiracy theory ended up being true/revealed. Adds an entirely new dimension to The Savage's [BNW's main character] decision to hang himself.
    - Lammy 2y ago
      Or their friends. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Eyes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Eyes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_641A https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_641A
      - ProllyInfamous 2y ago
        >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_641A https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_641A Why yes, I did happen to work in US data centers throughout the 2010's... including during Snowden's [then adamently-denied] revelations. "If you're taking flak, you're near the target."
  - dangus 2y ago
    If every app and system is making network connections by default without the user's knowledge or intervention then it doesn't really prove that you are using the computer at all.
    - Lammy 2y ago
- fmajid 2y ago
  Traffic analysis by the government totally happens: https://lifehacker.com/how-cia-director-david-petraeuss-emails-were-traced-an-5960080 https://lifehacker.com/how-cia-director-david-petraeuss-emai... Now they probably don't care about you personally, but you'd be surprised how many people are connected indirectly to a person of interest. Google "Maher Arar" for the horrific consequences of false positives.
  - ProllyInfamous 2y ago
    >you'd be surprised how many people are connected indirectly to a person of interest. I get called "paranoid," often, but I'm being honest when responding to people requesting my phone number: "you don't want my number in your phone, because it'll associate you with people you probably don't want to be associated with" [see Five Eyes' 3-Degrees of Separation].
urronglol 2y ago
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doctorpangloss 2y ago

Can you be more clear?

ProllyInfamous 2y ago
Computer are inexpensive enough to own both on- & off-line hardware. ---- Even privacy-focused hardware manufacturers will allow undisclosed usage tracking (in order to continue existing, themselves). In my example, the OEM delivers a physical product which allows users to make tangible objects, at home. Every time you launch the hardware's control software (to make more controversial objects), it phones home.

threeseed 2y ago

> letting the feds see every time you use the product This does not happen.

Lammy 2y ago
Wrong. Anything that makes any network request is by definition a privacy leak. The network itself is always listening, and the act of making any connection says that you are using the computer, and where, and when.
- threeseed 2y ago
  And so in this context. You are saying that every network request is going to a target controlled by the US government.
  - ProllyInfamous 2y ago
    Yes, this is what I'm saying. Particularly among "controversial" product manufacturers. ---- Entirely unrelated: I recently visited my favorite hometown (Austin) museum, UT's Harry Ransom Center. Their P.E.N. exhibit has an exposé on how various mid-20th Century authors were in fact funded by The Ford Foundation (a known CIA "investment vehicle"), including Aldous Huxley (author of Brave New World). One of the exhibits features multiple author signatories adamently denying this CIA-funding, over the 1950's decade... ultimately this conspiracy theory ended up being true/revealed. Adds an entirely new dimension to The Savage's [BNW's main character] decision to hang himself.
  - Lammy 2y ago
    Or their friends. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Eyes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Eyes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_641A https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_641A
    - ProllyInfamous 2y ago
      >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_641A https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_641A Why yes, I did happen to work in US data centers throughout the 2010's... including during Snowden's [then adamently-denied] revelations. "If you're taking flak, you're near the target."
- dangus 2y ago
  If every app and system is making network connections by default without the user's knowledge or intervention then it doesn't really prove that you are using the computer at all.
  - Lammy 2y ago
fmajid 2y ago
Traffic analysis by the government totally happens: https://lifehacker.com/how-cia-director-david-petraeuss-emails-were-traced-an-5960080 https://lifehacker.com/how-cia-director-david-petraeuss-emai... Now they probably don't care about you personally, but you'd be surprised how many people are connected indirectly to a person of interest. Google "Maher Arar" for the horrific consequences of false positives.
- ProllyInfamous 2y ago
  >you'd be surprised how many people are connected indirectly to a person of interest. I get called "paranoid," often, but I'm being honest when responding to people requesting my phone number: "you don't want my number in your phone, because it'll associate you with people you probably don't want to be associated with" [see Five Eyes' 3-Degrees of Separation].

urronglol 2y ago

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