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I think it suks that your job got lost to a foreign worker. It's certainly no consolation that you are merely the latest casualty of globalization, along with y

I think it suks that your job got lost to a foreign worker. It's certainly no consolation that you are merely the latest casualty of globalization, along with your US manufacturing workers. I say that sincerely- losing your job suks. Of course the root of the problem, for you and steel workers, US that American consumers care more about money than where something is sourced. They buy the cheapest car, cheapest steel, cheapest computer etc. So to survive companies have to reduce costs, which inevitably means off-shoring. Tarifs are a solution, but are simpler to do on physical imports than on remote labor. Basically though they help by driving up local prices, allowing say American Steel to compete. Yes, prices going up (inflation) is a side effect, and yes salaries have to remain fixed (else the import is still cheaper) so disposal income, and hence standard of living have to come down. That's a feature not a bug. Alternatively taxes could be slashed, requiring massive reductions on spending on military, social security and Medicare. That would mean some job losses in the military-industrial sector, but frankly that's probably a good thing. Social Security and Medicare are unpopular to cut, but its easily done, and a necessity to make significant cuts. I think the electorate has given a mandate to the govt to do this, do I expect they'll do it. (Trump campaigned on this, so its pretty much what people clearly want.) I know attempts at American isolationist policies have not worked in the past, but I expect it'll be different this time. The alternative to this approach would be higher taxes on companies and the mega rich - along with reduced military spending and increases to the social security net. That's the route most of the other countries took, but how many billionaires can Poland boast? Sure they're sucking up programmer jobs, but there aren't too many companies complaining about that.

w4ffl35 2y ago
> Social Security and Medicare are unpopular to cut, but its easily done, and a necessity to make significant cuts. I think the electorate has given a mandate to the govt to do this, do I expect they'll do it. (Trump campaigned on this, so its pretty much what people clearly want.) Can you please point me to Trump campaigning on this? I heard him say the exact opposite repeatedly in his speeches at his rallies.
- bruce511 2y ago
  Trump lies all the time. So what he says and what he campaigns on are different things. He says he is pro-women (but acts the opposite) pro-US (but sources all his grift from China), says he wants to bring down prices (but plans on tarifs to raise them). He claims no affiliation to Project 25 (but then hires all those planners into key positions), claims to be pro-worker, but eliminates labor protections and gives tax cuts only to rich people. The American public are smart. They are not easily duped. They understand that when he says Social Security and Medicare are bring left alone, he intends to cut them. They understand that campaigning on fiscal responsibility means widening the deficit. They understand that improving health care means taking it away and giving health care companies more profit. This is the future he campaigned on - this is the future they voted for. This is no a politician changing between campaign and office. His intentions, interests, and affiliations - his transactional nature - are front and center and have been all along. This is the man the people have decided will best lead them. This is democracy in action.
  - wakawaka28 2y ago
    All politicians lie. >The American public are smart. They are not easily duped. They understand that when he says Social Security and Medicare are bring left alone, he intends to cut them. That's ridiculous. Your central premise seems to be that because Trump has lied before, we live in opposite land. Not only that but that the American public is 100% behind the opposite of what they were promised, which is also very bad for them and their families personally. Your rationale makes absolutely no sense.
    - bruce511 2y ago
      Yes all politicians lie. But Trump doesn't lie like that, he lies about everything all the time. He lies about things that are obviously untrue, right there in front of you. He's not a "liar" in the way most people are. He's a liar in the sense that you are in on the lie, that you understand the lie is a lie. This is not "some of the act" - its his whole shtick. Yes, I think most of what he does will be very bad for most of the people who voted for him. Yes I think they voted for the exact opposite of what is good for them. But this is a guy with a 4 year term already behind him. This is a guy running to stay out of jail. This is the guy people voted for. More than in 2016, more than in 2020. More across all demographics. More in 90% of counties . The voter understands the pain that is coming, and embraces it as necessary for the coming greatness. The willingness to put their own suffering aside, to willingly endure the oncoming hardships, to vote against their personal best interest is admirable. At least I assume this is what happened.
wakawaka28 2y ago
>Social Security and Medicare are unpopular to cut, but its easily done, and a necessity to make significant cuts. I think the electorate has given a mandate to the govt to do this, do I expect they'll do it. (Trump campaigned on this, so its pretty much what people clearly want.) No he didn't campaign on this. It's not easily done either. You're talking about people's families who paid into the system and were promised to be paid, and their kids certainly aren't going to be paying those bills when nobody is doing great financially speaking. Maybe the government's promises can't be kept, but the politician that voluntarily casts the elderly into destitution or drastically increases taxes on workers is not going to last long.

w4ffl35 2y ago

bruce511 2y ago
Trump lies all the time. So what he says and what he campaigns on are different things. He says he is pro-women (but acts the opposite) pro-US (but sources all his grift from China), says he wants to bring down prices (but plans on tarifs to raise them). He claims no affiliation to Project 25 (but then hires all those planners into key positions), claims to be pro-worker, but eliminates labor protections and gives tax cuts only to rich people. The American public are smart. They are not easily duped. They understand that when he says Social Security and Medicare are bring left alone, he intends to cut them. They understand that campaigning on fiscal responsibility means widening the deficit. They understand that improving health care means taking it away and giving health care companies more profit. This is the future he campaigned on - this is the future they voted for. This is no a politician changing between campaign and office. His intentions, interests, and affiliations - his transactional nature - are front and center and have been all along. This is the man the people have decided will best lead them. This is democracy in action.
- wakawaka28 2y ago
  All politicians lie. >The American public are smart. They are not easily duped. They understand that when he says Social Security and Medicare are bring left alone, he intends to cut them. That's ridiculous. Your central premise seems to be that because Trump has lied before, we live in opposite land. Not only that but that the American public is 100% behind the opposite of what they were promised, which is also very bad for them and their families personally. Your rationale makes absolutely no sense.
  - bruce511 2y ago
    Yes all politicians lie. But Trump doesn't lie like that, he lies about everything all the time. He lies about things that are obviously untrue, right there in front of you. He's not a "liar" in the way most people are. He's a liar in the sense that you are in on the lie, that you understand the lie is a lie. This is not "some of the act" - its his whole shtick. Yes, I think most of what he does will be very bad for most of the people who voted for him. Yes I think they voted for the exact opposite of what is good for them. But this is a guy with a 4 year term already behind him. This is a guy running to stay out of jail. This is the guy people voted for. More than in 2016, more than in 2020. More across all demographics. More in 90% of counties . The voter understands the pain that is coming, and embraces it as necessary for the coming greatness. The willingness to put their own suffering aside, to willingly endure the oncoming hardships, to vote against their personal best interest is admirable. At least I assume this is what happened.

wakawaka28 2y ago

>Social Security and Medicare are unpopular to cut, but its easily done, and a necessity to make significant cuts. I think the electorate has given a mandate to the govt to do this, do I expect they'll do it. (Trump campaigned on this, so its pretty much what people clearly want.) No he didn't campaign on this. It's not easily done either. You're talking about people's families who paid into the system and were promised to be paid, and their kids certainly aren't going to be paying those bills when nobody is doing great financially speaking. Maybe the government's promises can't be kept, but the politician that voluntarily casts the elderly into destitution or drastically increases taxes on workers is not going to last long.