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The rules themselves aren't clear. In fact the rules say that jeans themselves are allowed. The rule is about having frayed worn, or light portions on jeans. M

by elif 2y ago

The rules themselves aren't clear. In fact the rules say that jeans themselves are allowed. The rule is about having frayed worn, or light portions on jeans. Magnus pants were fine. He is absolutely correct that they were singling him out and you can look back to many recent tournaments to see the clear double standard.

addicted 2y ago
Honestly, it doesn’t matter whether the rules are clear or not. FIDE isn’t a rule enforcement agency. FIDE is an agency that exists to promote and develop chess. Magnus Carlsen is the biggest draw in the chess world by far. A minor dress code violation should have been dealt with a fine as the rules very much allow for the benefit of the game. Also, I don’t think there’s a single player who would complain about that (well, other than Kramnik, but Kramnik complains that spectators breathe too loud and that’s cheating). And then FIDE should have stepped back and thought about the recent growth in the popularity of chess, since the pandemic and thanks to the work of the likes of Magnus and Gothamchess and should have reconsidered the strict dress code rules in the first place.
epgui 2y ago
The rules say no such thing, and seem pretty clear to me. 4.10.1. The dress code is strictly observed for the tournament and all the official events and press conferences. 4.10.1.1. Dress code for men. Shoes: Oxfords, loafers, leather shoes or boots, classic suite shoes. Dark-coloured pants: black, navy, grey, beige, brown, in any case unicoloured. No bright colours. Long-sleeved light-coloured (white, light blue, beige, brown, etc.), blue or black shirt, in any case unicoloured. No bright colours. Dark-coloured jacket, waistcoat or cardigan with buttons: black, navy, grey, beige, brown, in any case unicoloured. No bright colours. Jacket, waistcoat or cardigan may be taken off during play. Tie is not mandatory. [...] 4.10.1.3. No players with t-shirts, jeans, shorts, sneakers, baseball caps or inappropriate dress are allowed in the playing area. Any requests to wear national or traditional dress shall be approved by FIDE Supervisor. [...] 4.10.9. If a player fails to fulfil his/her duties listed in Articles 4.10.1, 4.10.4 – 4.10.8, he/she can be penalised by FIDE Council as follows: 5% of his/her prize money shall be forfeited to the Organiser and a further 5% to FIDE for each breach. In cases of serious misconduct, the player may be disqualified from the event. Reference: https://www.fide.com/docs/regulations/wrbc_regulations_2024_open.pdf https://www.fide.com/docs/regulations/wrbc_regulations_2024_...
- HarHarVeryFunny 2y ago
  It's interesting how much simpler the dress code for women is. 4. 10. 1. 2. Dress code for women. Classic shoes. Trouser or skirt suit or dress, preferably unicoloured, but not mandatory
  - GuB-42 2y ago
    Women in general have much more freedom in the way they can dress. There are also higher expectations and more unwritten rules.
    - HarHarVeryFunny 2y ago
      Agreed, but on the surface of it one might think that given the more varied ways that women might dress, they need more rather than less written rules for women vs men to control the way they actually do dress (at FIDE events). So, the logical conclusion is perhaps, no surprise, that FIDE don't really want to enforce a strict dress code, but rather want to promote the sport, and that translates differently into dress codes (or lack of them) for men vs women...
- rasz 2y ago
  >The dress code is strictly observed for the tournament and all the official events and press conferences. Meanwhile Arkady Dvorkovich, President of FIDE : https://www.reddit.com/r/chess/comments/1hntyjb/arkady_dvorkovich_president_of_fide_representing/ https://www.reddit.com/r/chess/comments/1hntyjb/arkady_dvork... Dvorkovich is putins puppet, covering for Medvedev when putin was pretending to take a break.
- david-gpu 2y ago
  So it says nothing about jeans at all? Magnus was wearing unicoloured navy jeans at the time, which fall within the rules you quoted. Refusing to match him with a competitor because of this, effectively preventing him to compete, was disproportionate regardless. Edit: I see you added a section that specifically disallows jeans after I posted my comment. We could have saved some time.

by elif 2y ago

addicted 2y ago

Honestly, it doesn’t matter whether the rules are clear or not. FIDE isn’t a rule enforcement agency. FIDE is an agency that exists to promote and develop chess. Magnus Carlsen is the biggest draw in the chess world by far. A minor dress code violation should have been dealt with a fine as the rules very much allow for the benefit of the game. Also, I don’t think there’s a single player who would complain about that (well, other than Kramnik, but Kramnik complains that spectators breathe too loud and that’s cheating). And then FIDE should have stepped back and thought about the recent growth in the popularity of chess, since the pandemic and thanks to the work of the likes of Magnus and Gothamchess and should have reconsidered the strict dress code rules in the first place.

epgui 2y ago

The rules say no such thing, and seem pretty clear to me. 4.10.1. The dress code is strictly observed for the tournament and all the official events and press conferences. 4.10.1.1. Dress code for men. Shoes: Oxfords, loafers, leather shoes or boots, classic suite shoes. Dark-coloured pants: black, navy, grey, beige, brown, in any case unicoloured. No bright colours. Long-sleeved light-coloured (white, light blue, beige, brown, etc.), blue or black shirt, in any case unicoloured. No bright colours. Dark-coloured jacket, waistcoat or cardigan with buttons: black, navy, grey, beige, brown, in any case unicoloured. No bright colours. Jacket, waistcoat or cardigan may be taken off during play. Tie is not mandatory. [...] 4.10.1.3. No players with t-shirts, jeans, shorts, sneakers, baseball caps or inappropriate dress are allowed in the playing area. Any requests to wear national or traditional dress shall be approved by FIDE Supervisor. [...] 4.10.9. If a player fails to fulfil his/her duties listed in Articles 4.10.1, 4.10.4 – 4.10.8, he/she can be penalised by FIDE Council as follows: 5% of his/her prize money shall be forfeited to the Organiser and a further 5% to FIDE for each breach. In cases of serious misconduct, the player may be disqualified from the event. Reference: https://www.fide.com/docs/regulations/wrbc_regulations_2024_open.pdf https://www.fide.com/docs/regulations/wrbc_regulations_2024_...

HarHarVeryFunny 2y ago
It's interesting how much simpler the dress code for women is. 4. 10. 1. 2. Dress code for women. Classic shoes. Trouser or skirt suit or dress, preferably unicoloured, but not mandatory
- GuB-42 2y ago
  Women in general have much more freedom in the way they can dress. There are also higher expectations and more unwritten rules.
  - HarHarVeryFunny 2y ago
    Agreed, but on the surface of it one might think that given the more varied ways that women might dress, they need more rather than less written rules for women vs men to control the way they actually do dress (at FIDE events). So, the logical conclusion is perhaps, no surprise, that FIDE don't really want to enforce a strict dress code, but rather want to promote the sport, and that translates differently into dress codes (or lack of them) for men vs women...
rasz 2y ago
>The dress code is strictly observed for the tournament and all the official events and press conferences. Meanwhile Arkady Dvorkovich, President of FIDE : https://www.reddit.com/r/chess/comments/1hntyjb/arkady_dvorkovich_president_of_fide_representing/ https://www.reddit.com/r/chess/comments/1hntyjb/arkady_dvork... Dvorkovich is putins puppet, covering for Medvedev when putin was pretending to take a break.
david-gpu 2y ago
So it says nothing about jeans at all? Magnus was wearing unicoloured navy jeans at the time, which fall within the rules you quoted. Refusing to match him with a competitor because of this, effectively preventing him to compete, was disproportionate regardless. Edit: I see you added a section that specifically disallows jeans after I posted my comment. We could have saved some time.