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Libero – A Programmer's Tool and Code Generator (1997)

53 points by leonry 2y ago

vidarh 2y ago
I used Libero to build a multiplexed network server ca 1997. It was great for writing complex state machines.
WillAdams 2y ago
Doesn't seem possible to install for Windows: https://imatix-legacy.github.io/pub/libero/bin/lrmswin.zip https://imatix-legacy.github.io/pub/libero/bin/lrmswin.zip is 404 and not available on archive.org: https://web.archive.org/web/20240000000000*/https://imatix-legacy.github.io/pub/libero/bin/lrmswin.zip https://web.archive.org/web/20240000000000*/https://imatix-l... If someone could get it running (and generating Python code) it might be very interesting.
- mdaniel 2y ago
  curl -LO https://github.com/imatix-legacy/libero/raw/master/pub/bin/lrmswin.zip unzip -l lrmswin.zip Archive: lrmswin.zip Length Date Time Name --------- ---------- ----- ---- 336659 06-16-1997 09:51 lrwin.exe 83008 06-09-1997 12:42 lwproc.dll 8910 12-29-1996 12:48 lrmesg.txt
  - WillAdams 2y ago
    Thanks! Since it also includes vbrun300.dll I suspect this is a bit too old to run on a current system.
    - mdaniel 2y ago
      Possibly, the readme in that directory talks about alternatives <https://github.com/imatix-legacy/libero/blob/master/pub/bin/readme.txt https://github.com/imatix-legacy/libero/blob/master/pub/bin/...> and the repo does allegedly contain the source if you wanted to try building it yourself https://github.com/imatix-legacy/libero/tree/master/src https://github.com/imatix-legacy/libero/tree/master/src
- pseudony 2y ago
  It is not exactly the same, and it is a shameless plug, but I work on a code/config generation tool. I'd be interested in hearing about your use-case and whether something like https://jwdevantier.github.io/htt/quick-start/ https://jwdevantier.github.io/htt/quick-start/ ( https://github.com/jwdevantier/htt https://github.com/jwdevantier/htt ) would let you solve your issue?
  - WillAdams 2y ago
    I wasn't sure if the project in question would be useful. Interestingly, it looks as if your project would directly apply to the current step of my current project: getting from a Python core in OpenPythonSCAD to wrapping it in OpenSCAD code --- if there was enough code to it to make automation make sense, and if the whole tool stack was stable enough for that to make sense. Mostly I was researching this for: https://github.com/IndiePython/myappmaker-sdd https://github.com/IndiePython/myappmaker-sdd
larusso 2y ago
Ok I was intrigued for a moment and wondered why the page looks so damn old. Last update 1997 :)
LtWorf 2y ago
libero is a racist/fascist newspaper in italy.
- fifilura 2y ago
  It is also a Swedish diaper brand. I wouldn't yield the fascists a trademark on that name. FWIW they could call their paper Coca Cola and still be irrelevant.
  - LtWorf 2y ago
    They're not that irrelevant in italy since they seem to be well connected with berlusconi's media and daily appear on tv for quite a long time.
- jgalt212 2y ago
  there's too many things, and not enough nouns. such collisions occur with such frequency it's foolish to draw conclusions, or ban words. Apple is among the world's largest tax dodgers, but I still use the word when speaking of my favorite fruit.
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verdverm 2y ago
I've built something similar that uses CUE + text/template rather than visual programming. Like libero, iteration is important and hof let's you modify the generated code and the design for the automated code as many times as you like. https://github.com/hofstadter-io/hof https://github.com/hofstadter-io/hof
- anonzzzies 2y ago
  That is very nice! I had that idea and then of course didn't do it.
  - verdverm 2y ago
    Thanks! It's a lot more than just simply CUE+templates, for example, when writing a code generator for any language, how you format the generated code requires some thought. You cannot rely on the tools being present on the machine and shelling out for each file becomes a major time sink. You really want to do this in memory before the 3-way diff that supports being able to iteratively update the design (inputs to code gen) and the manual changes in the generated code

53 points by leonry 2y ago

I used Libero to build a multiplexed network server ca 1997. It was great for writing complex state machines.

Doesn't seem possible to install for Windows: https://imatix-legacy.github.io/pub/libero/bin/lrmswin.zip https://imatix-legacy.github.io/pub/libero/bin/lrmswin.zip is 404 and not available on archive.org: https://web.archive.org/web/20240000000000*/https://imatix-legacy.github.io/pub/libero/bin/lrmswin.zip https://web.archive.org/web/20240000000000*/https://imatix-l... If someone could get it running (and generating Python code) it might be very interesting.

mdaniel 2y ago
curl -LO https://github.com/imatix-legacy/libero/raw/master/pub/bin/lrmswin.zip unzip -l lrmswin.zip Archive: lrmswin.zip Length Date Time Name --------- ---------- ----- ---- 336659 06-16-1997 09:51 lrwin.exe 83008 06-09-1997 12:42 lwproc.dll 8910 12-29-1996 12:48 lrmesg.txt
- WillAdams 2y ago
  Thanks! Since it also includes vbrun300.dll I suspect this is a bit too old to run on a current system.
  - mdaniel 2y ago
    Possibly, the readme in that directory talks about alternatives <https://github.com/imatix-legacy/libero/blob/master/pub/bin/readme.txt https://github.com/imatix-legacy/libero/blob/master/pub/bin/...> and the repo does allegedly contain the source if you wanted to try building it yourself https://github.com/imatix-legacy/libero/tree/master/src https://github.com/imatix-legacy/libero/tree/master/src
pseudony 2y ago
It is not exactly the same, and it is a shameless plug, but I work on a code/config generation tool. I'd be interested in hearing about your use-case and whether something like https://jwdevantier.github.io/htt/quick-start/ https://jwdevantier.github.io/htt/quick-start/ ( https://github.com/jwdevantier/htt https://github.com/jwdevantier/htt ) would let you solve your issue?
- WillAdams 2y ago
  I wasn't sure if the project in question would be useful. Interestingly, it looks as if your project would directly apply to the current step of my current project: getting from a Python core in OpenPythonSCAD to wrapping it in OpenSCAD code --- if there was enough code to it to make automation make sense, and if the whole tool stack was stable enough for that to make sense. Mostly I was researching this for: https://github.com/IndiePython/myappmaker-sdd https://github.com/IndiePython/myappmaker-sdd

larusso 2y ago

Ok I was intrigued for a moment and wondered why the page looks so damn old. Last update 1997 :)

LtWorf 2y ago

libero is a racist/fascist newspaper in italy.

fifilura 2y ago
It is also a Swedish diaper brand. I wouldn't yield the fascists a trademark on that name. FWIW they could call their paper Coca Cola and still be irrelevant.
- LtWorf 2y ago
  They're not that irrelevant in italy since they seem to be well connected with berlusconi's media and daily appear on tv for quite a long time.
jgalt212 2y ago
there's too many things, and not enough nouns. such collisions occur with such frequency it's foolish to draw conclusions, or ban words. Apple is among the world's largest tax dodgers, but I still use the word when speaking of my favorite fruit.
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verdverm 2y ago

I've built something similar that uses CUE + text/template rather than visual programming. Like libero, iteration is important and hof let's you modify the generated code and the design for the automated code as many times as you like. https://github.com/hofstadter-io/hof https://github.com/hofstadter-io/hof

anonzzzies 2y ago
That is very nice! I had that idea and then of course didn't do it.
- verdverm 2y ago
  Thanks! It's a lot more than just simply CUE+templates, for example, when writing a code generator for any language, how you format the generated code requires some thought. You cannot rely on the tools being present on the machine and shelling out for each file becomes a major time sink. You really want to do this in memory before the 3-way diff that supports being able to iteratively update the design (inputs to code gen) and the manual changes in the generated code