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One problem with hiring juniors (from an employer perspective) is that they take a while to get trained up, then leave after 1-3 years, meaning that they requir
by nickff 2y ago
One problem with hiring juniors (from an employer perspective) is that they take a while to get trained up, then leave after 1-3 years, meaning that they require investment which never gets paid back. You can argue that the company should give them raises to keep them, but it goes against the zeitgeist (so it’s tough), and also means that there’s no advantage to hiring juniors.
This seems like a stable (though undesirable) equilibrium, and I do not have a solution.
- layer8 2y agoIt’s not just the zeitgeist. It’s problematic when relatively junior employees start to overtake more senior employees on salary (because word will go around). And raising everyone’s salaries often isn’t an option either, obviously.
- throwaway48476 2y agoIt's short sighted. Eventually the seniors will retire and die off. It very much feels like 'we've tried nothing and we're all out of ideas'.
- nickff 2y agoMost companies are trying to hire people with more than 2-4 years of experience, but not 0-2 years of experience. They are far from losing all candidates to death or retirement.
- throwaway48476 2y agoIf no one hires 0-2 how many 2-4 will there be?
- nickff 2y agoThat’s definitely a problem right now, but it’s still not worth hiring people just to train them and have them leave. I think this one of the reasons for the popularity of H1B, as this new normal isn’t worldwide yet.
- throwaway48476 2y agoThat's why I said they tried nothing and are out of ideas.
- nickff 2y agoThe problem is that labor laws and practical considerations make it so that most other options are infeasible and/or illegal. Business model innovation in employment is basically illegal. Professional sports take interesting and varied approaches to the subject, but even they are facing challenges (see ‘free transfers’ in the European football market).
- throwaway48476 2y agoThis is just excusing a complete lack of creativity. If they won't adapt they deserve to fail.
- bdangubic 2y agoseniors will retire or die off is what is short-sighted. I have been a senior for the past 10 years and am planning on hacking another 10-15, don’t need money any longer, just love what I do. 60% of just my team is the same (give or take few years)