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There is no right to globalism in the constitution either: any and all of those behaviors can and should be regulated if it is in the best interest of the US ci

There is no right to globalism in the constitution either: any and all of those behaviors can and should be regulated if it is in the best interest of the US citizens.

krapp 2y ago
There is no right to globalism, and thus the US government isn't forcing companies to be globalist. Globalism is simply the inevitable result of capitalist incentives in the global marketplace, and the US has benefited greatly from it. Not all Americans, obviously, but certainly those that capitalism is intended to benefit (the capitalist class.) And I guess the petite-bougeousie of the American tech class is getting a rude awakening that they're just labor after all, and thus not entitled to eat from the table they set.
- thatcat 2y ago
  >inevitable result of incentives Market incentives are influenced by policies the US gov sets, so globalist capitalists monopolizing US markets is the inevitable result of US gov policies. Ever heard of Anti-trust laws? They could be updated for the global economy any time.
  - krapp 2y ago
    Banning all American companies from outsourcing or hiring foreigners would result in complete financial isolation, collapse and likely balkanization of the US, and ironically far worse employment prospects for Americans than currently exist. All modern Western capitalist power depends upon the exploitation of a foreign underclass. Yes, theoretically, the US could pursue its own Sakoku as a suicidal policy of "nativist" self-reliance but the premise that they ever would is ridiculous. I know people in this thread couldn't care less, but policy is set by people who actually do. Americans can compete with Indian, Chinese and Mexican labor when they're willing to work for Indian, Chinese and Mexican wages, end of.
    - brickfaced 2y ago
      Just not true. The H1B visa program didn't exist until the 1990s. In fact, until passage of the Hart-Celler Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965, the US was under strict immigration restrictions established by the Johnson-Reed Act of 1924. During that time we assimilated the Ellis Islanders, beat the Great Depression, out-produced the Axis to win World War 2, split the atom, rebuilt Europe and Japan, electrified the country, fed the world with our Green Revolution, invented the transistor, cured polio, invented the integrated circuit, and built the Empire State Building, Golden Gate Bridge, Hoover Dam and interstate highway system. Cheap tech labor benefits a small club of men at the top, such as Elon and paulg. It is not essential to the success or prosperity of America or the American people. An America where children must study 24/7 and work 80 hours a week as slavish, soulless drones to compete with indentured servants from every corner of the world is not a country I want to live in. It's not the country I was promised nor the future I voted for, and I'm going to fight to make sure it doesn't happen.
      - krapp 2y ago
        >During that time we assimilated the Ellis Islanders, beat the Great Depression, out-produced the Axis to win World War 2, split the atom, rebuilt Europe and Japan, electrified the country, fed the world with our Green Revolution, invented the transistor, cured polio, invented the integrated circuit, and built the Empire State Building, Golden Gate Bridge, Hoover Dam and interstate highway system. Cheap tech labor benefits a small club of men at the top, such as Elon and paulg. It is not essential to the success or prosperity of America or the American people. To be clear, you're implying that all of these things, specifically, were the result of American anti-immigration policies and high wages for American workers? Because I'm pretty sure America needed plenty of foreign help to split the atom, and that socialist programs like the WPA built much of the infrastructure you're talking about, and the interstate highways were built by government contractors and prison labor. And Americans may have invented the transistor, but the patents originated with Canadian, Austrian and German research. Of course, the cheap labor of manufacturing in China and elsewhere in Asia is responsible for the ubiquity and low cost of just about all electronics sold in the US. Almost everyone has something made by Sony or Panasonic, but no one has a Zenith TV anymore. The "Green Revolution"... depended entirely on the cooperation of foreign governments, investment and labor. The US absolutely did not "feed the world with our Green Revolution," just as the US did not "win World War 2." >Cheap tech labor benefits a small club of men at the top, such as Elon and paulg. It is not essential to the success or prosperity of America or the American people. What's funny is that we're here on a board built for and primarily used by Silicon Valley tech people who make six figure salaries on the back of that labor, from H1-B visaholders to the South Americans cleaning their toilets down to the child slaves mining rare earth elements in the Congo, and were fine with it up until someone talked about them the way they talk about the foreign help. And let's not pretend tech was ever about the success or prosperity of America or the American people. Ya'll got in it because you wanted to exit a billionaire like Zuckerberg or Musk with a little effort and a bullshit gimmick, while someone whose name you can't bother even trying to pronounce serves you a catered lunch at the commissary. Yeah, sorry, you're just another one of the tomatoes. >An America where children must study 24/7 and work 80 hours a week as slavish, soulless drones to compete with indentured servants from every corner of the world is not a country I want to live in. Stop voting for the people who keep making it worse, then. Did you really think the globalist billionaire who never worked a real job and rarely paid his (often foreign) employees was a hero of the working man?

There is no right to globalism in the constitution either: any and all of those behaviors can and should be regulated if it is in the best interest of the US citizens.

krapp 2y ago

There is no right to globalism, and thus the US government isn't forcing companies to be globalist. Globalism is simply the inevitable result of capitalist incentives in the global marketplace, and the US has benefited greatly from it. Not all Americans, obviously, but certainly those that capitalism is intended to benefit (the capitalist class.) And I guess the petite-bougeousie of the American tech class is getting a rude awakening that they're just labor after all, and thus not entitled to eat from the table they set.

thatcat 2y ago
>inevitable result of incentives Market incentives are influenced by policies the US gov sets, so globalist capitalists monopolizing US markets is the inevitable result of US gov policies. Ever heard of Anti-trust laws? They could be updated for the global economy any time.
- krapp 2y ago
  Banning all American companies from outsourcing or hiring foreigners would result in complete financial isolation, collapse and likely balkanization of the US, and ironically far worse employment prospects for Americans than currently exist. All modern Western capitalist power depends upon the exploitation of a foreign underclass. Yes, theoretically, the US could pursue its own Sakoku as a suicidal policy of "nativist" self-reliance but the premise that they ever would is ridiculous. I know people in this thread couldn't care less, but policy is set by people who actually do. Americans can compete with Indian, Chinese and Mexican labor when they're willing to work for Indian, Chinese and Mexican wages, end of.
  - brickfaced 2y ago
    Just not true. The H1B visa program didn't exist until the 1990s. In fact, until passage of the Hart-Celler Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965, the US was under strict immigration restrictions established by the Johnson-Reed Act of 1924. During that time we assimilated the Ellis Islanders, beat the Great Depression, out-produced the Axis to win World War 2, split the atom, rebuilt Europe and Japan, electrified the country, fed the world with our Green Revolution, invented the transistor, cured polio, invented the integrated circuit, and built the Empire State Building, Golden Gate Bridge, Hoover Dam and interstate highway system. Cheap tech labor benefits a small club of men at the top, such as Elon and paulg. It is not essential to the success or prosperity of America or the American people. An America where children must study 24/7 and work 80 hours a week as slavish, soulless drones to compete with indentured servants from every corner of the world is not a country I want to live in. It's not the country I was promised nor the future I voted for, and I'm going to fight to make sure it doesn't happen.
    - krapp 2y ago
      >During that time we assimilated the Ellis Islanders, beat the Great Depression, out-produced the Axis to win World War 2, split the atom, rebuilt Europe and Japan, electrified the country, fed the world with our Green Revolution, invented the transistor, cured polio, invented the integrated circuit, and built the Empire State Building, Golden Gate Bridge, Hoover Dam and interstate highway system. Cheap tech labor benefits a small club of men at the top, such as Elon and paulg. It is not essential to the success or prosperity of America or the American people. To be clear, you're implying that all of these things, specifically, were the result of American anti-immigration policies and high wages for American workers? Because I'm pretty sure America needed plenty of foreign help to split the atom, and that socialist programs like the WPA built much of the infrastructure you're talking about, and the interstate highways were built by government contractors and prison labor. And Americans may have invented the transistor, but the patents originated with Canadian, Austrian and German research. Of course, the cheap labor of manufacturing in China and elsewhere in Asia is responsible for the ubiquity and low cost of just about all electronics sold in the US. Almost everyone has something made by Sony or Panasonic, but no one has a Zenith TV anymore. The "Green Revolution"... depended entirely on the cooperation of foreign governments, investment and labor. The US absolutely did not "feed the world with our Green Revolution," just as the US did not "win World War 2." >Cheap tech labor benefits a small club of men at the top, such as Elon and paulg. It is not essential to the success or prosperity of America or the American people. What's funny is that we're here on a board built for and primarily used by Silicon Valley tech people who make six figure salaries on the back of that labor, from H1-B visaholders to the South Americans cleaning their toilets down to the child slaves mining rare earth elements in the Congo, and were fine with it up until someone talked about them the way they talk about the foreign help. And let's not pretend tech was ever about the success or prosperity of America or the American people. Ya'll got in it because you wanted to exit a billionaire like Zuckerberg or Musk with a little effort and a bullshit gimmick, while someone whose name you can't bother even trying to pronounce serves you a catered lunch at the commissary. Yeah, sorry, you're just another one of the tomatoes. >An America where children must study 24/7 and work 80 hours a week as slavish, soulless drones to compete with indentured servants from every corner of the world is not a country I want to live in. Stop voting for the people who keep making it worse, then. Did you really think the globalist billionaire who never worked a real job and rarely paid his (often foreign) employees was a hero of the working man?