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For whatever it’s worth, in response to the same question posed by me (“what is the ld50 of caffeine”), Google’s AI properly reported it as 150-200 mg/kg. I as
by chimpanzee 2y ago
For whatever it’s worth, in response to the same question posed by me (“what is the ld50 of caffeine”), Google’s AI properly reported it as 150-200 mg/kg.
I asked this about 1 minute after you posted your comment. Perhaps it learned of and corrected its mistake in that short span of time, perhaps it reports differently on every occasion, or perhaps it thought you were a rat :)
- pests 2y agoI also got similar and just tried, we are posting within minutes. -- The median lethal dose (LD50) of caffeine in humans is estimated to be 150–200 milligrams per kilogram of body mass. However, the lethal dose can vary depending on a person's sensitivity to caffeine, and can be as low as 57 milligrams per kilogram. Route of administration LD50 Oral 367.7 mg/kg bw Dermal 2000 mg/kg bw Inhalation LC50 combined: ca. 4.94 mg/L The FDA estimates that toxic effects, such as seizures, can occur after consuming around 1,200 milligrams of caffeine. There was a table in the middle there.
- raincole 2y agoPerhaps Google AI reads HN at work just like us.
- WarOnPrivacy 2y agoThe median lethal dose (LD50) of caffeine in humans is estimated to be 150–200 milligrams per kilogram of body mass. However, the lethal dose can vary depending on a person's sensitivity to caffeine, and can be as low as 57 milligrams per kilogram. Route of administration Oral 367.7 mg/kg bw Dermal >2000 mg/kg bw Inhalation LC50 combined: ca. 4.94 mg/L ref: https://i.imghippo.com/files/yeKK3113pE.png https://i.imghippo.com/files/yeKK3113pE.png 13:25EST (by a Kagi shill ftr)
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- hinkley 2y agoThat’s the danger with thinking in terms of LD50. That’s half the people in a caffeine chugging contest falling over dead. The first 911 call would be much much earlier. I doubt you’d get to 57 mg before someone thought they were having a heart attack (angina).
- griomnib 2y agoLLM are non deterministic by nature.
- chimpanzee 2y agoYes, that’s the main issue as ideally they wouldn’t be non-deterministic on well-established quantitative facts.
- griomnib 2y agoBut they can never be. RAG gets you somewhere, but it’s still a pile of RNGs under a trenchcoat.
- chimpanzee 2y ago>> ideally
- griomnib 2y agoIt’s just not possible. You can do a lot with nondeterministic systems, they have value - but oranges and apples. They need to coexist.
- chimpanzee 2y agoideal (def. #2) = Existing only in the mind; conceptual, imaginary https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/ideal https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/ideal (We’re allowed to imagine the impossible.)
- griomnib 2y agoFair, I am loath to take away your dreams!
- richk449 2y agoIs this really true? The linear algebra is deterministic, although maybe there is some chaotic behavior with floating point handling. The non deterministic part mostly comes from intentionally added randomness, which can be turned off right? Maybe the argument is that if you turn off the randomness you don’t have an LLM like result any more?