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With automated hiring spam and our industry's tenuous grasp of basic integrity with actual HN posts proudly boasting of their apps to help you cheat during inte

With automated hiring spam and our industry's tenuous grasp of basic integrity with actual HN posts proudly boasting of their apps to help you cheat during interviews using LLMs, several of my friends who assist in hiring at their companies have already returned to "on site" interviews to cut down on the proverbial chaff. The kicker? These are 100% remote jobs - the interviews are being performed at shared workspaces. That's the world we live in now.

Der_Einzige 2y ago
Thinking that "in person" will stop or prevent cheating is laughable. For god-sakes, the chess world is freaking out over an ANAL BEADS cheating scandal! https://kotaku.com/chess-champion-anal-bead-magnus-carlsen-hans-niemann-1849542639 https://kotaku.com/chess-champion-anal-bead-magnus-carlsen-h... https://github.com/RonSijm/ButtFish https://github.com/RonSijm/ButtFish A candidate who wants that job will figure out some way to have ChatGPT help them in a way you can't detect, even if it also has an impact on their ass health.
- dustyventure 2y ago
  If you are dumb enough not to hire someone who is able to integrate ChatGPT from analbeads into a conversation while looking natural then that is on you.
- HarHarVeryFunny 2y ago
  As long as the interviewee also reports to work with their anal AI interface, what's the problem ?
- godelski 2y ago
  You're right, you can't ever stop cheating. That's not the point. The point is to make it harder & more expensive. To make it not worth it. Your comment is like "why use AES256? People can still brute force it." Sure... good luck
nsxwolf 2y ago
I’d be absolutely fine going in person to interview for a remote job if I thought I had any reasonable chance of success with your process. We are talking about where I’m going to be working for at least the next few years. That’s kind of a big deal.
- Terr_ 2y ago
  Yeah, it's not about the in-person trip, it's about the trip multiplied by the probability that your application will be seriously considered as a near finalist.
- vunderba 2y ago
  Yeah I get that. My friends (the hiring managers) are in relatively large tech hubs (Austin and Seattle), so from what I understand 90% of the applicants have been "locally sourced". It'd be another story entirely if you had to travel a significant distance just for an interview.
salomon812 2y ago
> The kicker? These are 100% remote jobs - the interviews are being performed at shared workspaces. That's the world we live in now. Nah, if I was running a 100% remote job company ten years ago before all of this, I would still absolutely want to meet each of my hires in person before inking a deal. Maybe I'm old-school but I've been very successful and lucky with hiring.
archagon 2y ago
> with actual HN posts proudly boasting of their apps to help you cheat during interviews using LLMs I mean, I don't disagree emotionally, but this is a lot closer in spirit to what the OG hackers did than most of the stuff you see on the front page.
- vunderba 2y ago
  I mean.... IMHO self titled "solopreneurs" throwing together a for-profit web app that runs in the background to feed an applicant answers from ChatGPT just so they can cheat en masse on an exam feels like a far cry from old school phreakers building blue boxes in their basement to stick it to Ma Bell. https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/capn-crunch-whistle https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/capn-crunch-whistle
directevolve 2y ago
The next logical step is for exam proctoring facilities to begin offering interview and resume proctoring services.

Der_Einzige 2y ago

Thinking that "in person" will stop or prevent cheating is laughable. For god-sakes, the chess world is freaking out over an ANAL BEADS cheating scandal! https://kotaku.com/chess-champion-anal-bead-magnus-carlsen-hans-niemann-1849542639 https://kotaku.com/chess-champion-anal-bead-magnus-carlsen-h... https://github.com/RonSijm/ButtFish https://github.com/RonSijm/ButtFish A candidate who wants that job will figure out some way to have ChatGPT help them in a way you can't detect, even if it also has an impact on their ass health.

dustyventure 2y ago
If you are dumb enough not to hire someone who is able to integrate ChatGPT from analbeads into a conversation while looking natural then that is on you.
HarHarVeryFunny 2y ago
As long as the interviewee also reports to work with their anal AI interface, what's the problem ?
godelski 2y ago
You're right, you can't ever stop cheating. That's not the point. The point is to make it harder & more expensive. To make it not worth it. Your comment is like "why use AES256? People can still brute force it." Sure... good luck

nsxwolf 2y ago

I’d be absolutely fine going in person to interview for a remote job if I thought I had any reasonable chance of success with your process. We are talking about where I’m going to be working for at least the next few years. That’s kind of a big deal.

Terr_ 2y ago
Yeah, it's not about the in-person trip, it's about the trip multiplied by the probability that your application will be seriously considered as a near finalist.
vunderba 2y ago
Yeah I get that. My friends (the hiring managers) are in relatively large tech hubs (Austin and Seattle), so from what I understand 90% of the applicants have been "locally sourced". It'd be another story entirely if you had to travel a significant distance just for an interview.

salomon812 2y ago

> The kicker? These are 100% remote jobs - the interviews are being performed at shared workspaces. That's the world we live in now. Nah, if I was running a 100% remote job company ten years ago before all of this, I would still absolutely want to meet each of my hires in person before inking a deal. Maybe I'm old-school but I've been very successful and lucky with hiring.

archagon 2y ago

> with actual HN posts proudly boasting of their apps to help you cheat during interviews using LLMs I mean, I don't disagree emotionally, but this is a lot closer in spirit to what the OG hackers did than most of the stuff you see on the front page.

vunderba 2y ago
I mean.... IMHO self titled "solopreneurs" throwing together a for-profit web app that runs in the background to feed an applicant answers from ChatGPT just so they can cheat en masse on an exam feels like a far cry from old school phreakers building blue boxes in their basement to stick it to Ma Bell. https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/capn-crunch-whistle https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/capn-crunch-whistle

directevolve 2y ago

The next logical step is for exam proctoring facilities to begin offering interview and resume proctoring services.