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We don't know. The best we can do is model it as a random variable based on what little data we do have. What data do we have? Well over 2 million border encoun

We don't know. The best we can do is model it as a random variable based on what little data we do have. What data do we have? Well over 2 million border encounters for 2023 and 2024. For a nation of over 350 million that doesn't sound like much but remember, housing is an inelastic good where a 1% fluctuation in the supply can be an absolute shock to the system. These people have to live somewhere — and whether they're taking up a single bedroom or an entire residence, they're living somewhere. So I don't think you should be downvoted. There's nothing wrong with asking about how an uncountable yet sizable population will affect the dynamics of an inelastic good.

nxm 2y ago
~11 million illegal crossings since 2020, more than the combined populations of several states.
- BadHumans 2y ago
  Illegal crossing does not mean there are 11 million immigrants in the US. Biden has also done a record number of deportations in his presidency.
  - xnx 2y ago
    You're absolutely right. Crossing != net new person in the US. Total net migration is probably 8 million over the past 4 years: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/11/briefing/us-immigration-surge.html https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/11/briefing/us-immigration-s...
- rat87 2y ago
  11 million crossing doesn't mean 11 million people (multiple crossing attempts) and it doesn't those people are still in the US. Unfortunately there's a lot of FUD about immigrants and immigration. Most estimates don't go above 12 million unauthorized immigrants *TOTAL* a large percentage who have been here a long time. And that this is probably slightly below a peak unauthorized immigrant population around 2008. * Since some people tend to often claim people who are here legally are "illegals" it's important to note that asylum seekers are here legally as are those granted TPS.
- mmooss 2y ago
  The states comparison is just rhetoric. Around a half-dozen states don't even have 1 million residents.
davidw 2y ago
Those people are an outsized factor in the production of needed housing as well - they don't just consume it, they help build it.

nxm 2y ago

~11 million illegal crossings since 2020, more than the combined populations of several states.

BadHumans 2y ago
Illegal crossing does not mean there are 11 million immigrants in the US. Biden has also done a record number of deportations in his presidency.
- xnx 2y ago
  You're absolutely right. Crossing != net new person in the US. Total net migration is probably 8 million over the past 4 years: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/11/briefing/us-immigration-surge.html https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/11/briefing/us-immigration-s...
rat87 2y ago
11 million crossing doesn't mean 11 million people (multiple crossing attempts) and it doesn't those people are still in the US. Unfortunately there's a lot of FUD about immigrants and immigration. Most estimates don't go above 12 million unauthorized immigrants *TOTAL* a large percentage who have been here a long time. And that this is probably slightly below a peak unauthorized immigrant population around 2008. * Since some people tend to often claim people who are here legally are "illegals" it's important to note that asylum seekers are here legally as are those granted TPS.
mmooss 2y ago
The states comparison is just rhetoric. Around a half-dozen states don't even have 1 million residents.

davidw 2y ago

Those people are an outsized factor in the production of needed housing as well - they don't just consume it, they help build it.