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Build more housing.

by dpe82 2y ago

Build more housing.

GiorgioG 2y ago
The people with the power (money) to do so have no incentive to do so because they hold real estate which keeps going up because of the shortage. Why work against yourself?
- riku_iki 2y ago
  some politician can make it as part of platform, and win +20% of votes for example.
- lpolovets 2y ago
  I think incentives are different on an individual level. Yes, if everyone built more housing then your property's value would not go up as much. But if a single individual builds housing that's very profitable, that'll way more than offset the tiny reduction to the values of that individual's other properties. It's like a prisoner's dilemma where property owners as a class may not want more housing so that they are wealthier on paper, but any individual property owner will want to build housing because that'll grow their wealth faster.
- davidw 2y ago
  Eh, this is just a cynical excuse to not try. Here in Oregon, we're making some progress on housing reform. The mayor of my city attended the YIMBYTown conference a few years back when she was a city councilor. Heck, the now-governor of Oregon, Tina Kotek, spoke at it, and continues to work on housing policy. Part of the puzzle is that reforms are better at the state level, where it's easier to say "yeah, we have a housing crisis, and these things will fix it" and you're not confronted by a local angry mob of NIMBYs intent on stopping homes from being built.
- amazingamazing 2y ago
  This is wrong - search any major city and “blocked development” and you’ll see.
bell-cot 2y ago
Why? Housing shortages are an obvious "the worse for you, the better for me" benefit for the haves.
- dpe82 2y ago
  Because it's the only way we'll ever get out of this mess.
xenospn 2y ago
To house people who can’t pay? That’s the governments job, and they care more about fighter jets. Sorry.
- dpe82 2y ago
  To lower the cost for everyone, including for those of limited means.
hindsightbias 2y ago
When can we bring bulldozers to your block to start? YIMBY’s get really angry when I suggest developing Dolores Park.
- dpe82 2y ago
  Today. I'm willing to be inconvenienced for the greater good; are you?
  - hindsightbias 2y ago
    Oh, it would be great to add a floor and airbnb it. Or sell it for $1.5M. Maybe your program would give me a 0 interest loan. And I’d have the warm fuzzy doing a “greater” good. All the way to the bank.

Build more housing.

by dpe82 2y ago

Build more housing.

The people with the power (money) to do so have no incentive to do so because they hold real estate which keeps going up because of the shortage. Why work against yourself?

riku_iki 2y ago
some politician can make it as part of platform, and win +20% of votes for example.
lpolovets 2y ago
I think incentives are different on an individual level. Yes, if everyone built more housing then your property's value would not go up as much. But if a single individual builds housing that's very profitable, that'll way more than offset the tiny reduction to the values of that individual's other properties. It's like a prisoner's dilemma where property owners as a class may not want more housing so that they are wealthier on paper, but any individual property owner will want to build housing because that'll grow their wealth faster.
davidw 2y ago
Eh, this is just a cynical excuse to not try. Here in Oregon, we're making some progress on housing reform. The mayor of my city attended the YIMBYTown conference a few years back when she was a city councilor. Heck, the now-governor of Oregon, Tina Kotek, spoke at it, and continues to work on housing policy. Part of the puzzle is that reforms are better at the state level, where it's easier to say "yeah, we have a housing crisis, and these things will fix it" and you're not confronted by a local angry mob of NIMBYs intent on stopping homes from being built.
amazingamazing 2y ago
This is wrong - search any major city and “blocked development” and you’ll see.

bell-cot 2y ago

Why? Housing shortages are an obvious "the worse for you, the better for me" benefit for the haves.

dpe82 2y ago
Because it's the only way we'll ever get out of this mess.

xenospn 2y ago

To house people who can’t pay? That’s the governments job, and they care more about fighter jets. Sorry.

dpe82 2y ago
To lower the cost for everyone, including for those of limited means.

hindsightbias 2y ago

When can we bring bulldozers to your block to start? YIMBY’s get really angry when I suggest developing Dolores Park.

dpe82 2y ago
Today. I'm willing to be inconvenienced for the greater good; are you?
- hindsightbias 2y ago
  Oh, it would be great to add a floor and airbnb it. Or sell it for $1.5M. Maybe your program would give me a 0 interest loan. And I’d have the warm fuzzy doing a “greater” good. All the way to the bank.