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These people can vote against this kind of zoning and can vote for transit and densification. But instead they show up in droves to city council meetings to fig

These people can vote against this kind of zoning and can vote for transit and densification. But instead they show up in droves to city council meetings to fight against it as much as they can. They keep choosing to move further outwards once public transit expands and "the wrong people" start moving in. They complain about the neighborhood "losing its character". You've got your head in the sand if you think these people don't exist in large numbers in suburban USA. A few of the member cities of DART have talked about reducing funding to public transit. For a lot of the people I know, they say "great!". You act like these people don't exist.

mlinhares 2y ago
They do exist, but they don’t exist in a vacuum, it’s decades of carbrained policies to get people to believe this is the only way to live. And the cities that do have good public transportation (by US standards) like NYC are letting it rot, thus convincing people even more this can’t possibly work. Also, people voting against their own interests is basically America for most of its time. They’ll continue to vote for restrictive zoning and then complain they can’t do shit and live alone and can’t make friends
- vel0city 2y ago
  > decades of carbrained policies Decades of carbrained policies they voted for and continue to vote for and continue to believe in. This isn't some shadowy cabal doing things that everyone hates but somehow has no power over. These are popular policies being picked. We're never going to enact real change if we don't acknowledge people currently do want these things, and it's not obvious to them that the alternatives are better. You and I agree the alternatives are generally better and we should at least move to give more people the option to live in car-free or at least not car dependent areas. But a ton of people honestly think that kind of a choice is a terrible idea and don't want to see it happen. And they're far from auto industry payrolls.
  - mlinhares 2y ago
    Yeah, we’re fucked. I don’t see this ever changing.

mlinhares 2y ago

They do exist, but they don’t exist in a vacuum, it’s decades of carbrained policies to get people to believe this is the only way to live. And the cities that do have good public transportation (by US standards) like NYC are letting it rot, thus convincing people even more this can’t possibly work. Also, people voting against their own interests is basically America for most of its time. They’ll continue to vote for restrictive zoning and then complain they can’t do shit and live alone and can’t make friends

vel0city 2y ago
> decades of carbrained policies Decades of carbrained policies they voted for and continue to vote for and continue to believe in. This isn't some shadowy cabal doing things that everyone hates but somehow has no power over. These are popular policies being picked. We're never going to enact real change if we don't acknowledge people currently do want these things, and it's not obvious to them that the alternatives are better. You and I agree the alternatives are generally better and we should at least move to give more people the option to live in car-free or at least not car dependent areas. But a ton of people honestly think that kind of a choice is a terrible idea and don't want to see it happen. And they're far from auto industry payrolls.
- mlinhares 2y ago
  Yeah, we’re fucked. I don’t see this ever changing.