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There was supposed to be one talk about an attempt to re-vitalize a Guile-powered Emacs. I am not sure if it's in there somewhere or not (but I haven't looked y

by krylon 2y ago

There was supposed to be one talk about an attempt to re-vitalize a Guile-powered Emacs. I am not sure if it's in there somewhere or not (but I haven't looked yet). I imagine Emacs gaining native compilation capability took some pressure off that. But the appeal of scripting Emacs in languages other than Elisp still has some appeal, I think. Scheme or Lua would very nice for that purpose. EDIT: There it is - https://emacsconf.org/2024/talks/guile/ https://emacsconf.org/2024/talks/guile/

bjoli 2y ago
I think just having a proper runtime for elisp would be great... I am a guile person, but even if the Emacs folks would only allow elisp on guile it would still be a win.
mdaniel 2y ago
> or Lua would very nice for that purpose. There have been a couple of front-page threads on Lua recently and their comments really show how polarizing of a language that one is
- kragen 2y ago
  It has that in common with Lisp!
- mahmoudimus 2y ago
  I feel very strongly against Lua. I use it for WoW add on development all the time - I make so many mistakes with the 1-based index when porting algorithms. It is very very painful.
  - iLemming 2y ago
    why not Fennel?
    - mahmoudimus 2y ago
      Wow I didn't know this existed. This is pretty cool. Will definitely play around with it.
      - iLemming 2y ago
        What? Really? OMG, Fennel is so nice. I'd use it for anything that needs Lua these days - neovim, hammerspoon, awesomewm, mpv, wezterm, etc. It's very mature and it even has an lsp-server implementation and a dedicated conference. It's incredible how you can reduce some big, nasty, unavoidable boilerplate in Lua just into a few lines of Fennel.
  - mjcohen 2y ago
    Fortran has arbitrary-based indexing forever (as does Ada). The default is 1 but it can be specified as anything. I don't see why this capability is so rare.
    - mahmoudimus 2y ago
      I think it's one of those features where the original intended audience of the programming language are supposed to be non-programmers (or presumably, 1-based indexing is intuitive?) but for seasoned programmers who have been used to 0-based indexing, the change is quite stark. It's the same concept with AutoHotKey and the original intention of Lua (super small user-defined script for the masses). Whereas Fortran and Ada probably had some forethought that went into enabling that functionality. I will have to check but I remember my algorithm class started with 1-based indexing and the reason was it was intuitive to explain. But when experienced with C/C-inspired languages, the old adage becomes relevant: "There are 2 hard problems in computer science: cache invalidation, naming things, and off-by-1 errors."
      - sudahtigabulan 2y ago
        > the original intention of Lua (super small user-defined script for the masses). Lua was originally intended to be a language/data format for a Brazilian oil company geology software. https://www.lua.org/history.html https://www.lua.org/history.html

by krylon 2y ago

bjoli 2y ago

I think just having a proper runtime for elisp would be great... I am a guile person, but even if the Emacs folks would only allow elisp on guile it would still be a win.

mdaniel 2y ago

> or Lua would very nice for that purpose. There have been a couple of front-page threads on Lua recently and their comments really show how polarizing of a language that one is

kragen 2y ago
It has that in common with Lisp!
mahmoudimus 2y ago
I feel very strongly against Lua. I use it for WoW add on development all the time - I make so many mistakes with the 1-based index when porting algorithms. It is very very painful.
- iLemming 2y ago
  why not Fennel?
  - mahmoudimus 2y ago
    Wow I didn't know this existed. This is pretty cool. Will definitely play around with it.
    - iLemming 2y ago
      What? Really? OMG, Fennel is so nice. I'd use it for anything that needs Lua these days - neovim, hammerspoon, awesomewm, mpv, wezterm, etc. It's very mature and it even has an lsp-server implementation and a dedicated conference. It's incredible how you can reduce some big, nasty, unavoidable boilerplate in Lua just into a few lines of Fennel.
- mjcohen 2y ago
  Fortran has arbitrary-based indexing forever (as does Ada). The default is 1 but it can be specified as anything. I don't see why this capability is so rare.
  - mahmoudimus 2y ago
    I think it's one of those features where the original intended audience of the programming language are supposed to be non-programmers (or presumably, 1-based indexing is intuitive?) but for seasoned programmers who have been used to 0-based indexing, the change is quite stark. It's the same concept with AutoHotKey and the original intention of Lua (super small user-defined script for the masses). Whereas Fortran and Ada probably had some forethought that went into enabling that functionality. I will have to check but I remember my algorithm class started with 1-based indexing and the reason was it was intuitive to explain. But when experienced with C/C-inspired languages, the old adage becomes relevant: "There are 2 hard problems in computer science: cache invalidation, naming things, and off-by-1 errors."
    - sudahtigabulan 2y ago
      > the original intention of Lua (super small user-defined script for the masses). Lua was originally intended to be a language/data format for a Brazilian oil company geology software. https://www.lua.org/history.html https://www.lua.org/history.html