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by blagie 2y ago
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- HarHarVeryFunny 2y agoI wonder if people would care as much about chess if it didn't foster an image of sophistication and intellectualism? Imagine if most players just turned up in street clothes and looked more like software developers .. would sponsors and the public be just as interested? Would available prize money be as good?
- reaperducer 2y ago[flagged]
- John23832 2y agoI don’t have a dog in this fight, but the mao suit was exactly inspired by western wear. There are more traditional forms or eastern dress.
- motorest 2y ago[flagged]
- blagie 2y agoWhy? I'm neutral on Western. I'm fine with Western. I'm fine with non-Western. I'm not okay with discriminating against non-Western. My personal preference is for places to use locally-appropriate clothing for the simple, pragmatic reason that e.g. Western suits in Sub-Saharan Africa get too hot. Most local clothing tends to have gotten what it is for a reason. Even Arab clothing -- much criticized in the West for covering too much skin in the heat -- does well in sandy environments and ones where sunburn is an issue, and tends to be loose enough to provide for adequate airflow.
- mam2 2y agoI'm the opposite of woke but he's not wrong that suits are a western thing and and enforcing it as if it's universal is a bit pushy
- motorest 2y ago> suits are a western thing I think you're commenting out of ignorance. FIDE's dress code does accepts "national costumes", on par with suits and Bermuda shorts. https://www.fide.com/images/stories/NEWS_2013/FIDE/Proposal_of_Ms._B._Marinello_in_respect_of_the_dress_code.pdf https://www.fide.com/images/stories/NEWS_2013/FIDE/Proposal_... It's an arbitrary list of clothing items that is supposedly put together to "promote a good and positive image of chess", regardless of where you come from.
- blagie 2y ago"Business casual (European standards), which means long trousers or pants, shirt, jacket, with or without tie (no t-shirts, no polo, no jeans, no sports shoes or sneakers or slippers, no hats or caps (except for religious reasons) and the equivalent style of dress for women players. National costumes and team uniforms are allowed." It quite literally says "European standards." National costumes -- I don't know the context here -- usually means vetted traditional clothing (such as, for India, a sari, but not the much more common selwar suit). It also -- by definition -- excludes minority groups (for example, Inner Mongolia or Tibet in China, or the Kurds in Turkey). There's also the very practical matter that "minority groups" include neurodiversity too. The whole point is to judge people on their chess and not on their looks. It's the exact same issue as professional hairstyles or, before that, professional skin colors. A 1930-era US or German management consulting firm would obviously look worse to clients with a non-white consultant. There was an objective reason to discriminate in positions. That didn't make it right. In either case, if the goal of FIDE was to make money, discriminating would make complete business sense, regardless of ethical value. If the goal is to promote chess, people should be able to see themselves in the game, and participate regardless of how they choose to look. Back to the management consulting example, in 1930, a qualified black management consultant would serve the additional benefit of being an ambassador to and role model for their community.
- lowbloodsugar 2y agoSo a USA player can wear blue jeans?
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- John23832 2y agoIt would probably be cooler seeing people dressed in the pride of their home cultures while competing. Though I’m sure the old guard would say some dress is too distracting.
- robocat 2y agoJeans are "Western".
- pvaldes 2y agoToo much blue collar for chess it seems
- gosub100 2y ago> Western dress codes are obnoxious. what would you call the ones in the Middle East?