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> Why commit such brazen sabotage with a spy ship? Perhaps it wasn't brazen sabotage, but incompetent attempts to attach something to the lines? Or conflicti

by Terr_ 2y ago

> Why commit such brazen sabotage with a spy ship? Perhaps it wasn't brazen sabotage, but incompetent attempts to attach something to the lines? Or conflicting agendas trickling down to the same ship, where the left-hand of "go cause some mayhem" didn't know what the right-hand of "collect signals intelligence" was already doing with that asset.

fi358 2y ago
I don't think it was incompetent attempts to attach something to the lines. It severed 4 data data cables and electricity cable called Estlink 2. If it hadn't been stopped, it would have severed also Estlink 1 within half and hour later perhaps also Balticconnector gas pipe. About year ago Balticconnector gas pipe was already damaged by a Chinese ship, which had been dragging the anchor for long time in a very suspicious manner: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balticconnector https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balticconnector And again in August several data cables were severed by a Chinese ship. According to one analysis, that time they may have dragged the anchor for 400 kilometers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fB-vEp3wr-0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fB-vEp3wr-0 BTW, Russia seems to have for years spend time finding out the routes of sea cables and perhaps also spied them or prepared some kind of sabotage: The global internet is powered by vast undersea cables. But they're vulnerable. https://edition.cnn.com/2019/07/25/asia/internet-undersea-cables-intl-hnk/ https://edition.cnn.com/2019/07/25/asia/internet-undersea-ca... Ukraine war: The Russian ships accused of North Sea sabotage https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65309687 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65309687 Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. Three times is enemy action...
- cinntaile 2y ago
  > Russia seems to have for years spend time finding out the routes of sea cables and perhaps also spied them or prepared some kind of sabotage: The cable positions are public info, they don't need to spend time finding out where they are.
  - fi358 2y ago
    Is the exact positions public info or is it just crude positions? BTW, if the exact cable positions is public info, where is it available?
    - jabl 2y ago
      What do you consider 'exact'? Approximate positions are drawn on nautical charts, so that ships don't accidentally go and try to anchor in the vicinity. Plenty accurate enough for a ship to 'accidentally' drop an anchor and drag it along the seabed for miles.
    - bluGill 2y ago
      I suspect the exact position is not known. The drop the cables over the side and currents make then drift on the way down.
roenxi 2y ago
> Perhaps it wasn't brazen sabotage, but incompetent attempts to attach something to the lines? This theory, with glorious irony, supports the idea that the cable cut was accidental.

by Terr_ 2y ago

fi358 2y ago

I don't think it was incompetent attempts to attach something to the lines. It severed 4 data data cables and electricity cable called Estlink 2. If it hadn't been stopped, it would have severed also Estlink 1 within half and hour later perhaps also Balticconnector gas pipe. About year ago Balticconnector gas pipe was already damaged by a Chinese ship, which had been dragging the anchor for long time in a very suspicious manner: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balticconnector https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balticconnector And again in August several data cables were severed by a Chinese ship. According to one analysis, that time they may have dragged the anchor for 400 kilometers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fB-vEp3wr-0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fB-vEp3wr-0 BTW, Russia seems to have for years spend time finding out the routes of sea cables and perhaps also spied them or prepared some kind of sabotage: The global internet is powered by vast undersea cables. But they're vulnerable. https://edition.cnn.com/2019/07/25/asia/internet-undersea-cables-intl-hnk/ https://edition.cnn.com/2019/07/25/asia/internet-undersea-ca... Ukraine war: The Russian ships accused of North Sea sabotage https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65309687 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65309687 Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. Three times is enemy action...

cinntaile 2y ago
> Russia seems to have for years spend time finding out the routes of sea cables and perhaps also spied them or prepared some kind of sabotage: The cable positions are public info, they don't need to spend time finding out where they are.
- fi358 2y ago
  Is the exact positions public info or is it just crude positions? BTW, if the exact cable positions is public info, where is it available?
  - jabl 2y ago
    What do you consider 'exact'? Approximate positions are drawn on nautical charts, so that ships don't accidentally go and try to anchor in the vicinity. Plenty accurate enough for a ship to 'accidentally' drop an anchor and drag it along the seabed for miles.
  - bluGill 2y ago
    I suspect the exact position is not known. The drop the cables over the side and currents make then drift on the way down.

roenxi 2y ago

> Perhaps it wasn't brazen sabotage, but incompetent attempts to attach something to the lines? This theory, with glorious irony, supports the idea that the cable cut was accidental.