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Transparency is another important one. One reason I dislike such digital ID schemes because I can't actually tell what information (or metadata) is being forke

Transparency is another important one. One reason I dislike such digital ID schemes because I can't actually tell what information (or metadata) is being forked over. Even if it does purport to show me, I'm just supposed to trust what it says? No thank you. A piece of paper provides a common format that's easy for both me and the official inspecting it to understand.

pxeboot 2y ago
Passports have had NFC chips with the potential to store additional data for at least the past 10 years.
- bruce511 2y ago
  Not to mention the Passport Number which links the passport to databases of other information. Like the information on my visa application, or the fingerprints collected at that time, or my travel history, hotel stays, and so on. Data does not have your be "in the passport" to follow me around.
ascorbic 2y ago
What do you think happens when passport control scans your passport? The fact that the identifier is a paper document vs a digital token will make zero difference to the data that they track. It's linked to innumerable national and international databases which they will be tracking. Your privacy is basically zero when you cross borders.
- mcfedr 2y ago
  The difference is when computer says no, you can show that computer is wrong
  - henearkr 2y ago
    No, because the fake passeport detection is done by checking the database anyway. Honestly I don't see any other way. Else it becomes a paradise for forgery.
    - masterrr 2y ago
      That's not true. My freshly printed passport was denied by a computer at the UK border, they ran forensic checks for 2 hours while I waited in detention and then it was all good and they let me go.
      - henearkr 2y ago
        No, if you don't come with a database solution, any paper or physical only solution is 100% counterfeitable, with just enough means poured into it. Mafias all around the world will buy expensively any valid or even used identity document just for this purpose, i.e. to study it and perfect their forgery skills. The process you witnessed is a remnant of the past, a feature of the necessary transition period, and I hope it disappears soon, because that's a giant gaping security hole.
        henearkr 2y ago
        Btw, your fingerprints are in the database, as some facial features too. That could be in addition to retinal scans and, why not, DNA features too in the future. Thanks to all those biometric data, in case of a problem, the process will be much more reliable using the database than using old fashioned paper IDs. Also, all these tests are very fast to perform (excepted maybe DNA tests), much quicker than the unreliable administrative cross-checks that were performed until now when there was an ID issue.
Zanni 2y ago
I have a (USA) digital driver's license that I've presented to TSA via my iPhone a couple of times. It's explicit exactly what information is being shared. You tap (as if to pay), the information being requested displays on the screen, and you double-click to acknowledge and send. Note: USA "paper" passports have included an RFID chip since 2007.
xqt40 2y ago
Dude, your passort already have information on the chip that is machine readable. All the data that is being forked over is not on the passport but various databases - Interpol, Europol, etc.

pxeboot 2y ago

Passports have had NFC chips with the potential to store additional data for at least the past 10 years.

bruce511 2y ago
Not to mention the Passport Number which links the passport to databases of other information. Like the information on my visa application, or the fingerprints collected at that time, or my travel history, hotel stays, and so on. Data does not have your be "in the passport" to follow me around.

ascorbic 2y ago

What do you think happens when passport control scans your passport? The fact that the identifier is a paper document vs a digital token will make zero difference to the data that they track. It's linked to innumerable national and international databases which they will be tracking. Your privacy is basically zero when you cross borders.

mcfedr 2y ago
The difference is when computer says no, you can show that computer is wrong
- henearkr 2y ago
  No, because the fake passeport detection is done by checking the database anyway. Honestly I don't see any other way. Else it becomes a paradise for forgery.
  - masterrr 2y ago
    That's not true. My freshly printed passport was denied by a computer at the UK border, they ran forensic checks for 2 hours while I waited in detention and then it was all good and they let me go.
    - henearkr 2y ago
      No, if you don't come with a database solution, any paper or physical only solution is 100% counterfeitable, with just enough means poured into it. Mafias all around the world will buy expensively any valid or even used identity document just for this purpose, i.e. to study it and perfect their forgery skills. The process you witnessed is a remnant of the past, a feature of the necessary transition period, and I hope it disappears soon, because that's a giant gaping security hole.
      - henearkr 2y ago
        Btw, your fingerprints are in the database, as some facial features too. That could be in addition to retinal scans and, why not, DNA features too in the future. Thanks to all those biometric data, in case of a problem, the process will be much more reliable using the database than using old fashioned paper IDs. Also, all these tests are very fast to perform (excepted maybe DNA tests), much quicker than the unreliable administrative cross-checks that were performed until now when there was an ID issue.

Zanni 2y ago

I have a (USA) digital driver's license that I've presented to TSA via my iPhone a couple of times. It's explicit exactly what information is being shared. You tap (as if to pay), the information being requested displays on the screen, and you double-click to acknowledge and send. Note: USA "paper" passports have included an RFID chip since 2007.

xqt40 2y ago

Dude, your passort already have information on the chip that is machine readable. All the data that is being forked over is not on the passport but various databases - Interpol, Europol, etc.