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Wikipedia lists Intel 3 is roughly the same tech level as TSMC 3nm [1], but without listing transistor density. Intel is producing the Xeon 6 using Intel 3 [2].
by teruakohatu 2y ago
Wikipedia lists Intel 3 is roughly the same tech level as TSMC 3nm [1], but without listing transistor density. Intel is producing the Xeon 6 using Intel 3 [2]. So arguably Intel has a more advanced process in the USA than TSMC, which is doing 4nm in the USA next year. Intel's production is probably not very high.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3_nm_process#cite_note-74 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3_nm_process#cite_note-74
[2] https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/details/processors/xeon/xeon6-product-brief.html https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/details/pro...
- georgeburdell 2y agoTSMC 3nm is a double digit percentage denser. Intel 3 is closer to TSMC 5nm
- soganess 2y agoCitation? (Not intended as a snipe. I honestly just don't know where to look for that kinda info.)
- georgeburdell 2y agoWikichip is my go to (which is down right now for me unfortunately). It’s important to look at the latest data because Intel’s internal nodes real specs have not met the stated expectations recently
- fooker 2y agoIIRC it was the other way around.
- ryao 2y agoThat was before Intel renamed their process nodes. They went from being 1 node more dense to being 1 node less dense with their new naming scheme. You need Intel 4 to match TSMC 5nm.
- silisili 2y agoI'm not refuting the statement, only pointing out that density is not the only factor. Unfortunately, these numbers are arbitrary and companies are guessing what performs about like what based on numerous factors. Often wrongly - Samsung's equivalents were so bad Qualcomm pretty much abandoned them, and for good reason. Anyone who used an Exynos or SD888 understands why. I feel like we should have landed on a better tracking system now, like perf/watt, but here we are.
- Dalewyn 2y ago>these numbers are arbitrary Seeing as Intel 7 is formerly Intel 10nm, there is at least a reasonable argument in that Intel's number is one size(?) smaller than it should be.
- silisili 2y agoIt's equally likely Intel realized it performed as well as Samsung/TSMC "7". Which is the whole issue, we'll never really know.
- osnium123 2y agoIs Intel 3 manufactured in the US or Ireland? https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/newsroom/news/new-fab-ireland-high-volume-production-intel-4-technology.html https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/newsroom/news/new-fa... Also, it depends on the metrics but TSMC’s N4 is a mainstream foundry logic node. Who is using Intel 4/3 outside of Intel?
- kube-system 2y agoLooks like both according to this quote: > Our Intel 3 is in high volume manufacturing in our Oregon and Ireland factories https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/intel-3-3nm-class-process-technology-is-in-high-volume-production-intel https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/intel-3-3nm-class...