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Double sorry but Brian Eno’s Music for Airports or Aphex Twin’s Selected Ambient Works II is not interchangable with AI drivel
by lmpdev 2y ago
Double sorry but Brian Eno’s Music for Airports or Aphex Twin’s Selected Ambient Works II is not interchangable with AI drivel
- hombre_fatal 2y agoYou'd consider those generic?
- johan914 2y agoHe wasn't the one calling ambient music generic unnoticed music.
- Brian_K_White 2y agoParent comment said generic, he offered these as counters, so he called them generic.
- johan914 2y ago"I like ambient music" "Elevator generic background music is trash. Good riddance. " "No, X and Y in the genre are good bands" "So you agree it is generic elevator music?"
- hombre_fatal 2y agoHmm, I wouldn't summarize it that way on first read, but I can understand and perhaps agree with the interpretation. How I read it, the second comment is saying that AI music competes with machine-replicable human music, a subset of human music, but not all. Frankly, while Brian Eno's Music for Airports was monumental in the history of ambient music, in 2024 people unfamiliar with it aren't going to be able to tell it apart from select AI clips (as much as that will hurt to admit). That's less about it being generic and more about how good AIgen can mimic humans. Just like how humans couldn't tell apart human from AIgen in impressionist art: https://www.astralcodexten.com/p/how-did-you-do-on-the-ai-art-turing https://www.astralcodexten.com/p/how-did-you-do-on-the-ai-ar... -- we wouldn't use that example to say that human art is just generic slop. On re-read, I do think the thread started off on the wrong foot by using the word generic. Ambient music is simply some of the easiest music to machine generate being minimalist with heavy use of synthesizers, and much of it was machine generated in the first place in a DAW.
- johan914 2y agoFair. Your characterization of AI music is a bit ambitious. AI still can't write a breathtaking short story or poem: it can write a mediocre one of standard themes indistinguishable from a student, but that's it. I would argue that AI images is a special case: a photograph is after all not truly "art".
- mvdtnz 2y agoI don't know them but if they're designed to be offensive airport noise fillers then yes, they are.
- tarboreus 2y agoThey're not. Is your search engine broken?
- mvdtnz 2y agoI have absolutely zero interest in listening to any music that is defined by the words "ambient" or "generic" or that is in any way at risk of being outcompeted by AI. I prefer interesting music.
- hackable_sand 2y agoyikes
- skupig 2y agoI think your categorical dismissal of a genre that defies categorization (including one of the undisputed most influential eletronic artists ever!) disqualifies you from being able to identify "interesting" music. You sound like a boring person.
- blackeyeblitzar 2y agoIn my opinion, Aphex Twin is way overrated. Only a few tracks on SAW2 are listenable. I agree with the sentiment though and on calling out Brian Eno.
- namaria 2y agoIt's ok if you don't like it. Good even. It being weird and not of mass appeal is part of the charm.
- PaulDavisThe1st 2y agoThey are not even interchangeable with each other!
- Brian_K_White 2y agoTriple sorry but if these aren't generic, then by definition they weren't what the parent comment was talking about, since it did say generic.
- lmpdev 2y agoI wasn’t replying to generic, I was nailing “designed to go unnoticed” As music historians note the profundity of their work with that explicit aim in mind
- Brian_K_White 2y agoThen you invented your own thing which they never said, and complained that it's wrong.
- lmpdev 2y agoI’m quoting them verbatim
- Brian_K_White 2y agoYou just said you cherry picked a subset of what they said to respond to.