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Best of from 38th CCC: every three letter secret service of the country seems to be spyied out by this. And a secret VW testing facility in sweden was uncovered

by a3w 2y ago

Best of from 38th CCC: every three letter secret service of the country seems to be spyied out by this. And a secret VW testing facility in sweden was uncovered. Also, effects mostly EVs, but not only. (If the EV motor was the group usually logged to the opened AWS bucket, I don't understand how there were ICE or possibly hybrid cars involved in the leak.) https://streaming.media.ccc.de/38c3/ https://streaming.media.ccc.de/38c3/ had a german language video on it, live, but will surely add english translation and permanent video link soon.

haspok 2y ago
English "dub": https://media.ccc.de/v/38c3-wir-wissen-wo-dein-auto-steht-volksdaten-von-volkswagen#l=eng https://media.ccc.de/v/38c3-wir-wissen-wo-dein-auto-steht-vo...
slightwinder 2y ago
> I don't understand how there were ICE or possibly hybrid cars involved in the leak. The data-collection has nothing to do with the used engine, but the software-platform. Basically, the "OS" on which the car is running. EVs and premium Cars where the first to modernize this platform, and for obvious reasons they all use the same platform. After that, other cars are moving on to this platform too, so they now have a mix of different car-models who are mainly defined by their price-category.
mulmen 2y ago
> Also, effects mostly EVs, but not only. (If the EV motor was the group usually logged to the opened AWS bucket, I don't understand how there were ICE or possibly hybrid cars involved in the leak.) I can't parse this. Is there a missing word? Mostly implies other possible inputs but the last part of that sentence specifically says this is confusing. Why is it hard to understand how ICE or Hybrid groups also had access to a bucket EVs mostly had access to?
- schobi 2y ago
  What I understand from the presentation Many Volkswagen cars somehow report telemetry. Looks like there is data not only from the EVs based on the MEB plattform? But for a Name/email to be associated with the VIN of the car, the owner has to register and use the app (once). Many EV owners did, but fewer of the non EVs did.
rurban 2y ago
https://streaming.media.ccc.de/38c3/relive/598 https://streaming.media.ccc.de/38c3/relive/598 is the recording

by a3w 2y ago

haspok 2y ago

English "dub": https://media.ccc.de/v/38c3-wir-wissen-wo-dein-auto-steht-volksdaten-von-volkswagen#l=eng https://media.ccc.de/v/38c3-wir-wissen-wo-dein-auto-steht-vo...

slightwinder 2y ago

> I don't understand how there were ICE or possibly hybrid cars involved in the leak. The data-collection has nothing to do with the used engine, but the software-platform. Basically, the "OS" on which the car is running. EVs and premium Cars where the first to modernize this platform, and for obvious reasons they all use the same platform. After that, other cars are moving on to this platform too, so they now have a mix of different car-models who are mainly defined by their price-category.

mulmen 2y ago

> Also, effects mostly EVs, but not only. (If the EV motor was the group usually logged to the opened AWS bucket, I don't understand how there were ICE or possibly hybrid cars involved in the leak.) I can't parse this. Is there a missing word? Mostly implies other possible inputs but the last part of that sentence specifically says this is confusing. Why is it hard to understand how ICE or Hybrid groups also had access to a bucket EVs mostly had access to?

schobi 2y ago
What I understand from the presentation Many Volkswagen cars somehow report telemetry. Looks like there is data not only from the EVs based on the MEB plattform? But for a Name/email to be associated with the VIN of the car, the owner has to register and use the app (once). Many EV owners did, but fewer of the non EVs did.

rurban 2y ago

https://streaming.media.ccc.de/38c3/relive/598 https://streaming.media.ccc.de/38c3/relive/598 is the recording